BLACK SABBATH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbcMzGa6WnI

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Posodobitev stanja
Od Bill Ward
Statement on Black Sabbath Album & Tour:

Los Angeles, CA – February 2, 2012

Dear Sabbath Fans, Fellow Musicians and Interested Parties,

At this time, I would love nothing more than to be able to proceed with the Black Sabbath album and tour. However, I am unable to continue unless a "signable" contract is drawn up; a contract that reflects some dignity and respect toward me as an original member of the band. Last year, I worked diligently in good faith with Tony, Ozzy and Geezer. And on 11/11/11, again in good faith, I participated in the L.A. press conference. Several days ago, after nearly a year of trying to negotiate, another “unsignable” contract was handed to me.

Let me say that although this has put me in some kind of holding pattern, I am packed and ready to leave the U.S. for England. More importantly, I definitely want to play on the album, and I definitely want to tour with Black Sabbath.

Since the news of Tony's illness, and the understanding that the band would move production to the U.K., I've spent everyday getting to or living in a place of readiness to leave. That involves something of a task, and as I've tried to find out what's going on with the U.K. sessions, I've realized that I've been getting "the cold shoulder" (and, I might add, not for the first time). Feeling somewhat ostracized, my guess is as of today, I will know nothing of what'shappening unless I sign "the unsignable contract."


The place I'm in feels lousy and lonely because as much as I want to play and participate, Ialso have to stand for something and not sign on. If I sign as-is, I stand to lose my rights, dignity and respectability as a rock musician. I believe in freedom and freedom of speech. I grew up in a hard rock/metal band. We stood for something then, and we played from the heart with honesty and sincerity. I am in the spirit of integrity, far from the corporate malady, I am real and honest, fair and compassionate.

If I'm replaced, I have to face you, the beloved Sabbath fans. I hope you will not hold me responsible for the failure of an original Black Sabbath lineup as promoted. Without fault finding, I want to assure everyone that my loyalty to Sabbath is intact.

So here I am. I lay my truth down before you. I'm good to go IF I get a “signable” contract. I don't want to let anyone down, especially Black Sabbath and all the Sabbath fans. You know I love you. It would be a sad day in Rock if this current situation fell to the desires of a few.

My position is not greed-driven. I'm not holding out for a "big piece" of the action (money) like some kind of blackmail deal. I’d like something that recognizes and is reflective of my contributions to the band, including the reunions that started fourteen years ago. After the last tour I vowed to never again sign on to an unreasonable contract. I want a contract that shows some respect to me and my family, a contract that will honor all that I've brought to Black Sabbath since its beginning.

That's the story so far.

Stay safe and stay strong.

I love every single one of you.

--Bill Ward

tole je Bill Ward ( oziroma človek, ki upravlja njegov profil, objavil na FBju)... stvari se že komplicirajo

Nej gre vse v PM, to ni več to če ne bo Warda.

emm kaj pa je zanga "unsignable" contract, mislm tko, ne predstavljam si kaj bi tip rad, no nočem zvenet kot kapitalistična pizda, ampak "what is there, that money can't buy?", po drugi strani pa da bi ga tekom turneje promoviral kot boga rock & rolla, si pomojem mnenju tud ne želi (čeprav ne bi bilo zelo narobe če bi glih ga), ga jebe prevelika publiciteta, bi rad vse speljal bolj "umirjeno", res mi ni jasno česa mu ne morjo zrihtat??
Jest si to predstavljam tako: evo ti posnameš plato, odšpilaš teh par koncertov, posnamete spot, še nekej promo šita, dobiš pa tokle $$$, aja no prov pol pa $$$$, aja no ok, pa še pred vsakim špilom svoj privat aprtma, zmenen.
Ne vem no, al sm tolk daleč od resnice?
zanimivo no, če so ostali dobil zadost, pa si predstavljam da je Ozzy precej bolj zahtevn starček

Reunion je vreden čez 100 mio $... kako imajo in so imeli urejeno med sabo, si niti predstavljati ne moremo...vprašanje koliko določeni člani sploh komunicirajo med sabo, koliko se samo odvetniki eni drugih pogovarjajo. Če bi si vsi 4 osebno tako zelo želeli, da pride do reuniona originalne zasedbe, bi že rešili in bi se to zgodilo. Pa če bi bilo odvisno samo od teh 4 oseb, bi se zmenili, jih je pa zraven vpletenih veliko več in s tem ogromno enih interesov.

Edited by Preshko - 05.Feb.2012 at 08:59

In z orginalno postavo ne bo nič::(:(:(.

pa u kurac no

res sm mel eno željo za leto 2012 in to je da gremo u izi v beograd na BLACK SABBATH, brez skrbi okol faxa, dnarja in zdravja članov.....   upaš in razmišlaš o zdravju vseh in še posebi tonya, da bi le blo vse uredu, se trudiš delat izpite v naprej, da se takrat ne bi nagužval.... pol pa taka grda meneđerska fuka...... grrrrrrrrrr
seveda se na koncert gre v vsakem primeru še kr, ampak res, k mon?

Glede na njihova leta bi si mislu da se jim gre za kaj več kot le denar ...

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=169418

Še izjava Arona Warda, Billovega sina (ki so jo mimogrede parkrat izbrisali z Black Sabbath facebook strani):

"the press is spinning this shit storm to read as if my dad has quit. this is not true. the guys know that. that's why they said the door is ALWAYS open.
my dad hasn't "declined" playing with black sabbath or "threatened" to pull out of this reunion.
as he stated his bags are packed and he's ready to go. he say's it loud and clear, he definitely wants to play on the album and he definitely wants to tour.
i know he's been committed to this project from the beginning all the way to the point everyone else flew off to the uk.
when i saw him over the summer he had this little cd case with him that had all the rehearsals and song ideas.
each cd was sharpie scrawled with rough titles and ideas they had been working on.
about a month ago my dad called me to let me know that Tony had been diagnosed with cancer. he said they were all flying over in the next couple of weeks to continue recording the album in the uk and begin rehearsals for the summer tours. he'd been rehearsing more than i've ever known him to. up till about 3 weeks ago he was working extremely hard and close with the other 3 on this album/reunion tour. he was in very good spirits and sounded excited to be writing with Tony, Geezer and Ozzy again.
i know if they sort this shit out you guys won't be disappointed.

i've always stayed out of my dad's business and would like nothing more than for everything to be worked out swiftly between the guys.
unfortunately it's become personal with all these idiots slagging off my dad so this is for the fucking morons saying

"get over it Bill" : my dad has "gotten over it" again and again. he's risen above this bullshit thing called showbiz for the last 30 years. he's respected because he's real and honest not just because he's a complete bad ass on the drums. he's been there for other musicians. in all kinds of circles - punk rock, hardcore, metal whatever. he was one of the first to get his head screwed back on after the 70's and get cleaned up. he's given so much support to so many people trying to pull themselves out of the hell called addiction. he tries so hard to stay in touch with the fans. he'll talk your ear off if you get a chance. he is humbled by your support and loves you.

"can't believe he needs to make this public" or "it's not the first time" : you're an idiot and have no idea what the hell's really going on. just shut the fuck up and keep the speculation and lies to yourself. what my dad posted was from his heart, on the level and as usual completely honest. he wants you to know what's really going on. that he has been given a contract that he can't sign. nothing more to it. no hidden agenda. disappointingly someone else is trying to shroud everything in some kind of x factor "yeah it's full steam ahead - we have no choice" bullshit. of course they have a choice.

"don't be so greedy" : he is by no means greedy man. if he was he would of settled with whatever contract given him. it's kind of obvious someone else is greedy. wake up. he lives in a modest home in southern california. pays rent like the rest of uz. in case your still blind look at it this way - sadly the current "sabbath" statement reads as if someone would rather see the remaining members play in front of thousands of disappointed, confused and resentful fans then give my dad a dignified agreement. additionally the record sales will be severely affected because it isn't the promised original line up. all this because of someone's inability to respect him as the committed founding member he is. this has derailed the fan's hopes of seeing the original line up and strongly divided the fans. what a way to fuck up such a powerful, influential and inspirational legacy for the rest of time.

"who cares, it's just a bunch pensioners" : i'm just as cynical about old rock legends getting back on the road "one more time" as anyone but this is BLACK SABBATH. they've never been a conventional band. thing is i know these guys have been rehearsing loads. over the last couple months. when i've caught up with my dad he's been talking about how heavy the jams have been and how hard he's been playing. do you think people were looking at miles davis, ornette coleman or max roach going "man these guys are boring and old" no! it's the music that's important, played by the masters themselves. thats what we want. they're here to teach us, inspire us and make us flip out. i saw the (captain beefhearts) magic band recently on tour and they were clearly the definite article. legends. completely schooled any new hip shiny processed hyped out mush you've been exposed to in the last couple years. there's no doubt that there are loads of new heavy as fuck bands out there but to me Black Sabbath are still totally relevant. it's pointless to bitch about their age. they will kick serious fucking ass. trust.

to Terry (my godfather) , Ozzy (my friend when i was little) and Tony (towering hero) i hope that you will listen to your fans. they want all of you together. as YOU are black sabbath so is my Dad. i hope you guys can work it out.
Aron"

Edited by lord_morthron - 08.Feb.2012 at 18:51

TOUR UPDATE: BAND’S SOLE EUROPEAN PERFORMANCE THIS SUMMER SET FOR U.K.’S DOWNLOAD FESTIVAL. OZZY & FRIENDS TO PERFORM MAJORITY OF OTHER SCHEDULED SHOWS

BLACK SABBATH --who late last year confirmed the recording of their first new album in more than 33 years and a worldwide headlining tour--have had to put some plans on hold due to Tony Iommi's battle with lymphoma. At this time, BLACK SABBATH will perform only one show of this summer’s previously scheduled European tour. It will take place Sunday, June 10 at the U.K.’s Download Festival.

So as not to let the promoters and fans down, Ozzy Osbourne will now perform the majority of the previously scheduled BLACK SABBATH dates (both festival performances and the headlining shows) billed as OZZY & FRIENDS. These “first ever” OZZY & FRIENDS shows will feature appearances by “special guest” musicians including Geezer Butler (who will join Ozzy for a special BLACK SABBATH set as a show of respect and support to their friend, Tony Iommi) and longtime former OZZY band member Zakk Wylde. In addition, OZZY will be accompanied by longtime collaborator and friend Slash at select shows, with other “special guests” set to join the tour at various stops along the way (full list of dates, appearances below).

Tony Iommi continues to make excellent progress and is looking forward to getting back out on the road. Meanwhile, BLACK SABBATH continue to write and record music in the U.K. for their upcoming album. More information about these dates and BLACK SABBATH’s recording and touring plans is forthcoming.

Mutijo 100 na uro.. kdo si že lasti karto bo očitno moral namesto Black Sabbath v orginal postavi gledati Ozzy-ja & prijatelje..

Edited by lord scavenger - 17.Feb.2012 at 20:41

lord scavenger wrote: Mutijo 100 na uro.. kdo si že lasti karto bo očitno moral namesto Black Sabbath v orginal postavi gledati Ozzy-ja & prijatelje..

Rajši vrnem karto. Zaradi bolečin v Iommijevem hrbtu so Heaven & Hell odpadli v Španiji na Metalway 2009 (ko smo eno uro stali pred odrom in jih čakali so pršli roudiji in začeli razstavljat opremo), zdej bodo pa kot kaže še B.S. odpadli. Škoda.

ma jebo jih ej a se bo dal karte vrnt? a kdo kj ve?

FABO wrote: zdle sm klico na eventim in se da vstopnce (za beograd) baje še normalno kupit, zram edin piše "sprememba v programu".... torej se ne da dnarja nazaj dobit tole mi smrdi po svetovnem nategu! sj ta ozzy, geezer & zakk so zakon team, sam za njih se pa ne bi v beograd vozo...

na koncerti. net so rekli, da nam bodo denar vrnili... Upam, da bo res, ker nočem plačati praktično vseh prihrankov, da vidim Slasha

na eventimu pravjo da se lhk karte vrne na prodajna mesta kjer ste jih kupl...

Edited by SphynX - 21.Feb.2012 at 19:45

Škoda. Ampak OK, vsaj dnar bomo dobili nazaj.

zaenkrat so zram the cult in paradise lost.... kr zanimivo, ampak bom kr vrno karto vrjetn...

Prvi Black Sabbath špil po 7 letih je odigran, brez Billa Warda...pizdarije se niso končale, brezveze v glavnem...očitno jim ni usojeno posneti še enega albuma, pa kurc, verjetno je celo bolje tako...Warda je nadomestil mulc iz Ozzy banda na bobnih... Ozzy je odpel odlično, ko sem ga gledal v živo me je presenetil, očitno se forma nadaljuje (offt: in Hetfield in Ozzy pojeta najboljše po prvi 20 letih, drugi po 30 po mojem mnenju), je pa bilo par presenečenj v setu in to odličnih (recimo Wheels of Confusion, majka, Lord of this World itd.) in celih 20 komadov, kljub temu da Iommi še vedno bori bitko...vse to je odlično in svaka čast, ampak kot rečeno, res brezveze, da se niso mogli z Wardom domenit vsega, kot bi se spodobilo za ljudi pri taki starosti...jebeni menedžerji, žene, pizde materne in vse ostalo, kar je odneslo to stvar od prave podobe...

edit:

Setlista je bila taka:

01. Into The Void
02. Under The Sun
03. Snowblind
04. War Pigs
05. Wheels Of Confusion
06. Electric Funeral
07. Black Sabbath
08. The Wizard
09. Behind The Wall Of Sleep
10. N.I.B.
11. Fairies Wear Boots
12. Lord Of This World
13. Tomorrow's Dream
14. Sweet Leaf
15. Symptom Of The Universe
16. Drum Solo
17. Iron Man
18. Dirty Women
19. Children Of the Grave
20. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
21. Paranoid

Edited by Atheist - 20.May.2012 at 11:12

pozdrav! Z manjšo zamudo sem se dns odpravu na petrol, kjer mi niso vrnil dnarja za karto.
Komplet Black Sabbath al pa nič sem si rekel...

Tako da če koga zanima karta za Srbijo (Golden Circle 28.7.), jo imam jaz naprodaj ugodno, pm!

Zadeva je 8 mesecev na netu, pa je očitno samo 800 metalcev od milijonov in milijonov metalcev na svetu vtipkalo ime enega izmed 3 največjih metal bandov na svetu in letnico 1994 ("black sabbath live 1994") v youtube...žalostno... v glavnem, mojstrovina na odličnem koncertu, Anno Mundi iz Tyr plate, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL0BRfgTaY0&feature=related  na desni pa še veliko ostalih klasik s Tony Martinom...

Dolgočasno, ampak velik boljš k sm mislu da bo. Bass je top, Iommi je ok. Samo komad je pa petkrat predolg, besedilo je retardirano in se samo vleče.... in vleče..... zzzz

No, meni se zdi otroško napisano. Ampak konec koncev je to moje mnenje. Geezer je pisal še veliko boljše stvari, kot je tole:

Nowhere to run
Nowhere to hide
Wondering if we will meet again
On the other side
Do you believe a word
what the Good Book said?
Or is it just a holy fairytale
And God is dead?
God is Dead x4

Right!

But still the voices in my head
Are telling me that god is dead
The blood pours down
The rain turns red
I don’t believe that God is dead
God is Dead x4

Se strinjam da je Geezer eden boljših tekstopiscev, če ne najboljši, ampak ko je pisal take:

I've watched the dogs of war enjoying their feast
I've seen the western world go down in the east
The food of love became the greed of our time
But now I'm living on the profits of crime

Oziroma:

Whirlwind churning, lovers learning
On this path of life we can't back down
Is it wrong?
Widows weeping, babies sleeping
Life becomes the singer and the song
Sing along

Je pa meni velik plus na tej plati (so far, razn Butlerja ter Iommija), da je Rick Rubin producent.




Edited by Slay - 21.Apr.2013 at 01:26

Slay wrote: No, meni se zdi otroško napisano. Ampak konec koncev je to moje mnenje. Geezer je pisal še veliko boljše stvari, kot je tole: Nowhere to run Nowhere to hide Wondering if we will meet again On the other side Do you believe a word what the Good Book said? Or is it just a holy fairytale And God is dead? God is Dead x4 Right! But still the voices in my head Are telling me that god is dead The blood pours down The rain turns red I don’t believe that God is dead God is Dead x4 Se strinjam da je Geezer eden boljših tekstopiscev, če ne najboljši, ampak ko je pisal take: I've watched the dogs of war enjoying their feast I've seen the western world go down in the east The food of love became the greed of our time But now I'm living on the profits of crime Oziroma: Whirlwind churning, lovers learning On this path of life we can't back down Is it wrong? Widows weeping, babies sleeping Life becomes the singer and the song Sing along Je pa meni velik plus na tej plati (so far, razn Butlerja ter Iommija), da je Rick Rubin producent.

No no, otroško je pa veliko drugače kot "retardirano";) tako je prav:)

Ja, Rubin bo, glede na to, da je fan od 12 leta, naredil, da bo prav, zdaj ni slabo, kar je kul...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgePCc0AhEI&feature=player_embedded#

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