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    Posted: 23.Nov.2007 at 23:17
Glede na to, da je v zadnjem mesecu izšlo kar nekaj blazno kul doom metal zadev na vinilu in ostalih medijih (nekaj biserov lahko pričakujemo tudi v bližni prihodnosti) sem se odločil, da odprem to diskusijo, da si izmenjamo nekaj informacij in mnenj o tej temi. Na katere zadeve je vredno biti pozoren? Priporočila neznanih bendov, opevanja starih kvltov, medsebojna merjenja falusov in debate o Bridget the Midget pr0nu so več kot zaželjena.

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Doom fani, poslušte si ta 2 komada od Overkill:

- Skullkrusher

- The Answer
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1. Worship komad na splitu se imenuje Song of Death.
2. Nikjer ni slike nobenega mosta.
3. Se zavedaš, da postajaš obseden s to eGay stranjo?
4. Jap, sem prednaročil Warning LP. Komaj čakam, da dobim ta biser. Heart

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Originally posted by polopoklip polopoklip wrote:

1. Worship komad na splitu se imenuje Song of Death.
2. Nikjer ni slike nobenega mosta.
3. Se zavedaš, da postajaš obseden s to eGay stranjo?
4. Jap, sem prednaročil Warning LP. Komaj čakam, da dobim ta biser. Heart


to ni obsedenost, to je sam cekiranje stvari (katere imas/katere si zelis imet)   Tongue pa song of deat, how cheesy can you get, ziher ni blo Maxa zraven ko je tole pisal


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Glih zdaj poslušam doom metal bend CONCEPT OF GOD, in njihov še zelo sveži album, ki nosi naslov (-visions-).
Za ljubitelje doom metala !!!
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Za tiste, ki še ne poznajo Ahab
http://www.myspace.com/ahabdoom
Vrhunska zadeva... vsaj za moje pojme :D
Drugače pa so mi, kar se tiče doom metala, najboljši Evoken
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 Winter, Funeral...
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Ali se samo meni zdi cel koncept benda Ahab totalni JOKE? :/

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Muske nimajo slabe... dalč od tega...
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Jaz še vedno prisegam na legende CANDLEMAS, TROUBLE, SOLITUDE AETURNUS,PENTAGRAM, ST.VITUS....
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recmo da je na pol joke :)

polci, tvoja kaeta je prisla + zancka zraven, prides do lj ali ti jo posljem?
drugace pa mi ni vsec worship vinil, artwork je se kar ogaben....pa same ze objavljene slike Maxa o objavli, lahko bi kake katere se nismo vidli :)

drugace pa zdej na polno nuit noire demoti, cel dan! :)
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kamerad lucho: raje malo počakajva, da dobim paket od Ostre in s tem tvojo Astral Sleep kaseto, pa narediva pol izmenjavo.
A ti lahko dodam nekaj praznih kaset, da mi posnameš Nuit Noire demote?
Ne se izgovarjat, da nimaš kasetarja. Poglej v babičino skrinjo! :P

Kaj da ni nobene nove slike Maxa? Kaj pa tista s kapuco? HAHA.



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Originally posted by polopoklip polopoklip wrote:

kamerad lucho: raje malo počakajva, da dobim paket od Ostre in s tem tvojo Astral Sleep kaseto, pa narediva pol izmenjavo.
A ti lahko dodam nekaj praznih kaset, da mi posnameš Nuit Noire demote?
Ne se izgovarjat, da nimaš kasetarja. Poglej v babičino skrinjo! :P

Kaj da ni nobene nove slike Maxa? Kaj pa tista s kapuco? HAHA.





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ta cas ko bova cakala na Astral Sleep bom jaz malo prasal za dvojni kasetar naokoli...pa ti pol mogoce presnamem ce najdem
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Kaj pa spiritus mortis? Men je njihov komad flames zelo u redu. Je pa res da je bolj stoner in ne tolk doom.

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Ko smo ravno pri stoner/doomu... Na prejšnjem forumu ste nekomu, ki je spraševal po bendih v stilu Electric Wizard, napisali nekaj predlogov (nekje v možganih mi odmeva ime Acid King, sem desen?). Noch einmal,  buchstabieren Sie, bitte!
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jaz sem spraševal ... in ja Acid King so stoner/doom =) zadnja plata, III, seka!
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Glih poslušam en zanimiv bend po imenu AJATTARA, in njihov sveži album (-kalmanto-) !!!!!!!!
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=RZx8-6kEcJg

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NVDECahcYXk

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OMG! To je eden tistih koncertov na katerem pijan kot zebra strgaš majico s svojega telesa, na eks spiješ pločevinko piva in jo nato zdrobiš na svoji glavi, dvigneš roke v zrak in prepevaš od prvega do zadnjega komada, majkemi. \m/
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wau, tole te pa direkt s prve zadane!prelepo, res...
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Originally posted by Zenca Zenca wrote:

jaz sem spraševal ... in ja Acid King so stoner/doom =) zadnja plata, III, seka!
Aha, bom preveril. Pa hvala za predloge s prejšnjega foruma (Pelican, Red sparowes, Om) - zakon godba! (Sicer sem ti zavoljo tega že pred časom poslal zasebno sporočilo, v katerem sem te na dolgo in široko koval v zvezde, vendar si me ignoriral - očitno v maniri pristnega doomsterja, ki  "širi negativizem in nesrečo." :) .)
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Originally posted by lucho lucho wrote:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RZx8-6kEcJghttp://youtube.com/watch?v=NVDECahcYXk:ave


nice. kar malo moti čupa, kajne= človk se kar odvadi dolgolasih doomsterjev
zlo podobn filing dobiš ob gledanju (raritetnih) posnetkov black sabbath, okol druge plate.
or is it just me?

great voice.
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red sparowespa mi na nobenem od njihovih koncertov, katerim sem bil priča, niso zveneli doom.
stoner rock z rahlo amplitudo. kdaj prepričljivi, kdaj ne, that is.

videoprojekcijo pa nadkrili samo Laibach
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Ni bilo mišljeno, da jih uvrščam pod doom (je pa, ko ponovno preberem, napisano res mogoče tako razumeti); v sporočilu sem jih spotoma omenil zaradi Zence (kateremu sem odgovarjal), po njegovi zaslugi sem jih namreč odkril na prejšnjem forumu. Karkoli že so, meni so fajn. 

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Originally posted by egregius egregius wrote:

red sparowes pa mi na nobenem od njihovih koncertov, katerim sem bil priča, niso zveneli doom.


to je isto kot da bi oklical Isis doom. nesmisel!

red sparowes sem gledal ko so bili prvic v slo, izjemne video projekcije <3

drugace pa ponovno prihaja v slovenijo band, ki s svojo pocasnostjo zna dobro navdusit, Fluid bojo 28.2 v menzi pri koritu, zraven njih pa Perth Express (d-beat crust), lani sta bila ta banda zmaga!

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that brings me to the question:
je kdo dovolj drzen, naiven....preprost.....ali razgledan,
da bi si upal zamejiti pojme doom, stoner rock, drone ipd?
vem, obstajajo definicije, me pa zanima, kako si te pojme sami pri sebi definirate
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Jaz sem že zdavnaj obupal nad temi predalčki, ampak bom vseeno napisal svoje videnje tega ciganskega lonca. Vem, da mi bo žal. :)
Doom metal je zame sestavljen iz prvega vala, ko so v osemdesetih bendi (Saint Vitus, Trouble, Candlemass) nadaljevali tradicijo, ki so jo začeli Black Sabbath in jo ponesli na čisto nov nivo in drugega vala iz devetdesetih, kjer so Peaceville three izumile čudo, ki se danes imenuje doom/death. Očitno je, da so svoj navdih našli v death metal načinu igranja, kateremu so dodali počasnost in moreče ozračje. Oba vala imata med seboj bolj malo skupnega, vendar sta zame dokaj enakovredna in dokler bodo bendi svoje vplive črpali pri zgoraj omenjenih bendih, pol je to zame doom metal.
Potem imaš tukaj polno drugih podzvrsti, ki niso nič drugega kot hibridi med doom metalom (prvi in drugi val) in čisto samostojnimi glasbenimi zvrstmi (drone, sludge, stoner rock, ambient,...) in tako nastane cela zmešnjava, zaradi katere se bijejo bitke epskih razsežnostih na raznih metal forumih.
Kaj je tr00 in kaj je false? Boli me kurac, važno da ziba čoln.





 
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pa si opazil kak trend pri sebi..kaj prav specifičnega...kar ti ziba čoln?
jaz sem ugotovil, da v čisto primarnem pomenu besede drone...kakor so dude drone, al pa hurdy gurdy (lajna, ampak v smislu lajne, kot jo imajo npr. Eluvetie) drone...da je to meni osebno čista majka od muzke.....se povezuje z neko primarnostjo v meni........isto pri petju; rezijansko petje je (če bi gledali več glasov kot en inštrument) velikokrat drone.....in spet....to mene popolnoma pomirja.
sedaj, ko sem ugotovil neko tako veliko zanko mojega glasbenega okusa, se grem naprej bebavit pred teve.
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hehehe...predin se mi rola po glavi "kdo je tebe, praslovan, plavati učil...da si preplaval tisto rusko reko, in se v mojih genih naselil"
ravnokar berem o "drone citrah" ki so specifične za Slovenijo.


to je torej to.......muzika mojih prednikov...v mojih genih.....drone teženje in nerazložljiva želja po nošenju krznenih pokrival
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Originally posted by egregius egregius wrote:

to je torej to.......muzika mojih prednikov...v mojih genih.....drone teženje in nerazložljiva želja po nošenju krznenih pokrival

Fora iz Štoparskega vodnika po galaksiji?
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ah, zdej pa si razrušu mojo bazo vseh družabnih šal.
vsi kartončki grejo lahko v koš.
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Both WARNING albums will be repressed VERY soon under license to German label CYCLONE EMPIRE. The long out of print debut "THE STRENGTH TO DREAM" will have some updated and slightly different packaging, while "WATCHING FROM A DISTANCE" will remain pretty much, the same. WATCHING FROM A DISTANCE" will also be available shortly as a limited vinyl edition on METAL SUPREMACY Records. Send them an email to reserve a copy

- lucho in polopoklip, vidva sta najbolj geekovska: je to že prišlo ven, se da to kje dol snet al karkol? od tistega lučotovega linka naprej ne morem dat vn iz glave footprints.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtnG6EHh1N4&NR=1

Mmmm samo skoda, ker ne morm navit zadeve bolj naglas...pocaaaasi mi pronica v mozgane in sproza stikalca Smile
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lucho se je odlocil, da ne bo vec prisostvoval pri tej debati, ker bi to lahko unicilo njegov kvlt ugled. tudi na forumu ne bo vec aktiven, razne ce ga nekdo ne pozove po imenu Vsemogocni poznavalec vsega kar je drugim nemogoce spoznati, potem mogoce dobite delcek moje modrosti ki vas bo ponesla v raven blizjo meni, ampak se vedno dalec od moje.

p.s. cdja nor LP nista zunaj se, ko dobim lp imam pa gre cd (prvi press) k polciju, ce sva se prav dogovorila Clap

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say what you will....ljudje, ki tako ljubeče govorijo o svoji kolekciji, že niso razočarani, kadar jih nekdo označi za geeke. no, okej, razočarani so lahko (podobno kot če ne dobijo glavne nagrade za pusta, oblečeni v captain Kirka), presenečeni pa zagotovo ne.
just joking.
iz mene govori nevoščljivost zaradi k-tebi-kmalu-priromajoče zadevščne.


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Originally posted by egregius egregius wrote:

lucho in polopoklip, vidva sta najbolj geekovska: je to že prišlo ven, se da to kje dol snet al karkol? od tistega lučotovega linka naprej ne morem dat vn iz glave footprints.

Gre za ponatis obeh albumov od Warning (The Strenght to Dream iz 1999 in Watching from a Distance iz 2006), ki sta že razprodana. Ven bosta prišla februarja 2008 in sicer pod okriljem založbe Cyclone Empire.
info: http://www.cyclone-empire.com/

Vinilno verzijo Watching from a Distance pa bo izdala založba Metal Supremacy in jo lahko prednaročite preko tega emaila:
NO-SPAMmetalsupremacy.andrea@gmail.com

Mp3je pa najdeš na Soulsikk.




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Yes končno, novi album benda WITCHCRAFT z naslovom (-the alchemist-)...
Odlična zadeva !!!
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Izšla je odlična zadeva in sicer LAZARUS BLACKSTAR in album (-funeral voyeur-)  !!!! Bomba  !!!
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pizda danzig ustavi se s spemanjem, vsi imamo p2p programe s katerih lahko loadamo neskoncno kolicine glasbe, tako izdane kot ne izdane. in dvomim da je cisto vsak nov doom album vreden priporocila in klicajev.
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lucho: ko si ti še 'pekel' potičke v peskovniku je danzig že vozil 250 kubični motor, pretepal pozerje in poslušal METAL, zato pokaži malo spoštovanja! :P
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Originally posted by polopoklip polopoklip wrote:

lucho: ko si ti še 'pekel' potičke v peskovniku je danzig že vozil 250 kubični motor, pretepal pozerje in poslušal METAL, zato pokaži malo spoštovanja! :P


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hehe zadnje cajte večinoma poslusat incantation
a ma kdo kake podobne doom bende za predlagat.
pa down mi ful sedejo.zakon so


Edited by puzavnar - 04.Jan.2008 at 10:27
taprav desc ma orodje pod streho
http://puzavnar.mybrute.com
jst ne spim,jest komiram
izjava dneva od gurija
now telefon mam.pm me your number bithes
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Hvala POLOPOKLIP ti si car ! !
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LOL

!!!U-M-I-R-A-M!!!




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13 junija pride en zelo kjut bandic v koper po imenu hangman's chair,  seveda v druzbi tuff-ass bitch kicking hardcorovcev, sam dvomim da me bo to kaj motilo :) ga zelo lepo secejo, ce se bojo v kopru potrudli z ozvocenjem bo mega

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lucho: kje se splača kupit Siebensünden vinile/CDje/papirusove zvitke?
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Novo:
THE WANDERING MIDGET   (-i am the gate-)

Poslušajte odličen bend Wink
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Originally posted by polopoklip polopoklip wrote:

lucho: kje se splača kupit Siebensünden vinile/CDje/papirusove zvitke?
This is wicked shit and I Heart it!


edit: NEW PAGE MASTAH!

njihovo plato blod, slem, galla sem lihkar narocil s tukaj:

http://pas-83.com/ (s postnino mi je prslo 22 evrov)

pa zdej ta split cd s Teratologenom je izdala i hate zalozba, sam bom pocakal na vinilko.
sem ti rekel da je good shit pa mi ne verjames :P


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Od sedaj naprej ti ukazujem, da tukaj poročaš o novih poslušanja vrednih doom bendih, drugače ti narišem brke s alkoholnim flomastrom.
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Originally posted by polopoklip polopoklip wrote:

Od sedaj naprej ti ukazujem, da tukaj poročaš o novih poslušanja vrednih doom bendih, drugače ti narišem brke s alkoholnim flomastrom.


ali pa ce ti prek slskja napisem, ker si vrjetno edini ki ga to zanima?




Edited by lucho - 03.Feb.2008 at 03:55
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