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    Posted: 20.Feb.2009 at 20:09
Torej bobnarji . Zanima me ce se splaca kupiti tole zadevco. Cena je kar udobna pa se malo placa imam v sobi .

http://www.enaa.com/oddelki/conrad/izd_3533_CO590099_Elektronski_sistem_bobnov



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kaj je, mojcica, zivis v piskrcku? res si falil temo in pristal v cikfajtu.. na moje veliko pms veselje.. :>

se oprasicujem za oftopik :>
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Saj ni pene, tipo je prvič gori. To je sicer res debata bolj za ostalo, ampak jebiga. Bi kdo resneje odgovoril?

Sam niti približno nisem bobnar ampak v učinkovitost takih palačink malo dvomim, že zaradi proporcev, ki so povsem nerealni. Okej, če so vključene noge, potem super, vadba sigurno prispeva k razvijanju motoričnih spretnosti, ampak menim da niti najmanj toliko kot prava stvar, torej predvsem rekreativno, da se v prvi sili ne pozabi tehnik. Sigurno bi bilo tole stokrat bolje...


Je pa kot vedno glavna ovira keš,....

Me zanima kaj bo porekel bolj izkušen model iz tega foha...

Dej praši še na kak bobnarski forum. Tuj. Občasno imam občutek da so slovenski glasbeni forumi kup arogantnih kretenov.

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Say NO to electronic drums Thumbs%20DownEvil%20Smile
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Nisem bobnar ampak se ti definitivno splača kupit prave bobne, ker pri prvem modelu gre za drum pad in ne za electronic drum kit. Tisto je čisto druga stvar kot bobnanje. Kar se tiče pa pravih electronic setov, boš pa za en konkreten set odštel trikrat več kot bi za ene čist kul akustične bobne z istim setom. 
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Originally posted by Everlost Everlost wrote:

Say NO to electronic drums Thumbs%20DownEvil%20Smile


Za vadit v sobi pa ob selitvah so sigurno blazno praktični.
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Hmm, Devlin, tak model, kot si ti dou gor (razporeditev in vse to) je od 500€ naprej, tko da niti ni tok drago.

Jst sm tut razmislou, ce bi si jih nabavu cist samo zato, ker nimam pravih bobnov kje met, em zarad prostora em zarad hrupa :/
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Originally posted by devlin devlin wrote:

Originally posted by Everlost Everlost wrote:

Say NO to electronic drums Thumbs%20DownEvil%20Smile


Za vadit v sobi pa ob selitvah so sigurno blazno praktični.


Pojštri pa kartoni so tot praktični Wink Pač, osebno ne maram elektronskih bobnow ... to za mne niso bobni.
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moj brat jih ma pa sploh niso švoh:D
pa še ne sliš se nč pa itak nima placa za taprave... mislm placa mamo dost sam jih je pač hotu met u sob:D de ma mir pa de jst ne morm mal zbijat :/ :)))) no sj lohk sam ke ga ni tud mene najbrž ni doma:))
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Kot je rekel Tegla dober software in močna mašina veliko naredita.
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Prvo kot prvo . Nisem nevem kaksen bogatas da bi za bobne zapravljal velike vsote. In ja za nekatere je ze 300€ prevec. Sicer pa  devlin lahko poves  model tega seta oz okvirno ceno ? Hvala za odgovore.




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Deathforger.. čisto odvisno kakšna so tvoja pričakovanja. Če te mika baterija.. bi se bilo mogoče res dobro še malo ozreti naokrog. Elektronski bobni so za v stanovanje na vsak način boljši od kartona in blazin.. in velikokrat pridejo prav tudi če akustični set imaš.. ampak ni tako pri roki. Med akustičnimi in elektronskimi bobni je razlika.. pri čemer morajo biti udarci pri elektronskih manj intenzivni.. da si ne pridelaš kakih poškodb zapestij in komolcev. Mogoče pa nate čaka tudi kak rabljen set..
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Mislim da je v rubriki ostalo v 'debata za bobnarje' dovolj povedanega o tem. Pa Tegla je dal dober nasvet, kako za oko 300E kupiš crap elektronske bobne + trigger in če imaš močan računalnik & software iz njih lahko dobiš profesionalen zvok. Oglej si to.
Če nabaviš prek bolhe, se ti morda userje ceneje dobiti zadovoljivo zadevo.
Everlost, tehnika tako napreduje, da bo morda v kratkem povsem vseeno. Priznam pa da tudi sam raje opazujem akustične nažigače v akciji. Ampak.... Sigurno je kul tudi če se ti ljubi in lahko zašpilaš malo tehna.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=55Gmjf4PT20

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Js si bom v kratkem kupu elektronske, lih tko da jih bom meu u sobi za vadit kadar mi zapase, magari ob 3 zjutri. Ker se mi ne da furat vsak dan u plac za vaje in delat 30 km samo za vadit bobne...

Sm pa vidu ene v esse music za enih 650 evru in so kar zakon, jih bom vrjetno kar kupu ce so se vedno tamdol :)

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devlin , takle sistem nevem ce bi spravu v sobo.

Kaj pravite na tole
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmrJ0yETJxE

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men niso neki, mi je pa fajn kdaj ko so v trgovini razstavljeni mal it spilat pa nastimat kake smesne zvoke na cinele
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote devlin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23.Feb.2009 at 13:57
Deathforgy, v kolikor misliš resno igrati ti bo v kratkem žal da nisi segel globje v denarnico, ker boš pričel iskati kaj bolj resnega in se posledično dvakrat skeširal.
V kolikor boš pa en teden mlatil brez načrta in sistema, potem pa vse po spisku preklel, pa raje sploh ne nabavljaj nič.
Brez frendov, ki bi ti kaj pokazali bo od začetka težko....

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Oj, Devlin - to je bil WUKO in ne jaz.

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ufff, jst ne bi unega kupval za uni denar. Za ene 200eur se po mojem da dobit že tak sistem, kokr ga je Devlin nalimal. Rabljen seveda... pobrskaj mal po bolhi in seveda tu je naš E-BAY, tam je itak vse.... Alesis Dm5 al pa D4 al pa kej boljšega, pa še bobne ma da dobiš za največ 300 eur, sam za 300 eur more bit že ful vsegaSmile
 
drugač pa se strinjam načeloma, akustični bobni so popolnoma drug svet, samo problem je v tem, k metalci dostkrat samo bluzijo o tem (and they never put their money where their mouth is), pol na koncu pa vse skup zveni precej žalostnoCry če igraš metal in hočeš akustične bobne - in DOBER zvok, pol vedi, da je treba boben MLATIT (ne mislim tolk na silo cele roke, kot na impact palčke u opno, k more bit na BRUTAL FULLL) ful in to v CENTER, če ne pozabi na to in je še zmer boljš igrat elektronce, ki jih lahko igraš na dotik... na koncu je važen samo rezultat in itak ima dones več 90% metala vsaj delno natrigane bobne... da ne bi o uglaševanju, ki je cela umetnost in brez tega spet ni NIČ. Treba je močno prbijat po Tomih tud med hitrimi prehodi in treba je mlatit tud kike na glas....
 
+ je pa še to, da lahk elektronce igraš doma na slušalke... jst osebno bi itak mel akustične, sam pač, kokr komu sede, tud elektronci so čist zanimiva igračka Hug
 
 
hehe, sj sm hotu prou odpret eno debato na temo I HATE METAL DRUMMERS :) sam sm se že tlele olajšal, pa zdej ne rabim. LOL
 
u glavnem
 
slovenian metal drummers:
 
1.how is it, that any two of you guys are less compatible than darn windows and macintosh?!?!?! it's like you use the same amount of toms, snare and kikcs and yet still when you sit behind the Kit you almost turn it upside down the ceiling?!?!?!?! is that really necessary or could it just be that you suck? LOL and need to practice MORE.
 
2.Why the hell does every damn drummer in this country have to tune his snare SKY HIGH?!?!?!?!?! i mean it's ok, i get it you like your Snare pitch Hight, but EVERYONE?!?!?!?! WHAT THE ....... ?!?!Tongue  i mean, does anyone like snare NOT to sound like a trash can?! or is it just me?!??!
 
3.WHY THE F.... do all drummers have to have 3000 toms and they are all friggin 6 inch in diameter??!?!?!?!? Have you ever seen Nevermore or old Iced Earth??!?!?! Doesen't any - ....i mean just ... just ONE?!?!?  - drummer in this country like LOW sound of toms? and  i mean ALL toms - including THE FIRST ONE?!?!?
 
4. and the cymbals....maaaaaaaaan - who the hell invented the SPLASH cymbal - that's what i'd like to know???!?!!?!? next time, you better steal it from ur's mom's kitchen, i'm shure you'd find something that sounds just as awfully annoying as that SPLASH stuff you hang all arround you drums like some christmas tree.... can't you have just like 2 or at most 4 deacent low dark big CRASH cymbals and like a china and that's it?*!?!?!??! why the hell do you need 30 000 cymbals is what i would like to know.... ??
 
5.OK! - > the blast beat......!?  o maaaan, the blast beat,...
 whoever invented it probobly never considered the fact that music is an ART not gym, not atlethics.... it's just so not about how many BPMz  your arm can manage....dude! :) you can jerk off at home all you want, but it's like - THIS IS MUSIC, ok? it's not how fast you are, it's what emotions you can bring, what you can give....can't you feel the BEAT?!?! i mean the float, does a word GROOOVE mean anything to you?! :) ..... but how would a drummer know that?! he don' even know what a minor scale is, right.....  :/
 
6.Metal drummers are a funny breed. They all want their Snare to sound so natural, but when they hit it, it's the Hi Hat you hear more than that snare.... they all want to have that sound they hear from that last Dying Fetus album, but still when they start their engines the strokes sometimes tend to miss the Snare centre in about 9 out of 10 shots.... :/  triggers are so not true...yet still they all love that sound from the cd that was done with some Ez drummer or something ....
 
they all want their drums to sound like metallica's black album yet they don' understand that you have to change your drum skins if you want to record an album....and if you're recording more than cca15 hours...you need to change them again....and TUNE them.....not your EGO, the drumz!!!! Tongue they do not know that Lars Ulrich, when recording the Justice album was beating his drums so freakin hard that he could not record more than one riff at a time, because he was loosing his strength.....and you see, maybee that's why his kiks and toms sound so ritch and full :)  - it is simple to say i am a drummer, it is simple to keep you stack in some garage and try to learn the last crazy metal song you've heard.... but people let me tell ya, it takes freakin blood sweat and tears to make a good metal acustic drum recording....
 
i could go on.... hehehe
 
 
.....i can't go on :) .... hehe
 
take it as a joke :) sm se olajšal, zdej je pa dobr :)
 
 
sam res, mislm, zakwa ne more bit kul bobnarjev pr nas? like v stilu unega drugega bobnarja od Ugly Kid Joe al pa De Grassota al pa kej tacga? :) hehe Tongue


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-Kaj je plavo in leži v jarku?
-Kitarist ki je povedal preveč šal o bobnarjih.

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Wuko sorry, my bad. Samo moraš pripeljat precej bobnarjev če me hočeš pustit plavega v jarku : )))))).

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Originally posted by devlin devlin wrote:

Mislim da je v rubriki ostalo v 'debata za bobnarje' dovolj povedanega o tem. Pa Tegla je dal dober nasvet, kako za oko 300E kupiš crap elektronske bobne + trigger in če imaš močan računalnik & software iz njih lahko dobiš profesionalen zvok. Oglej si to.
Če nabaviš prek bolhe, se ti morda userje ceneje dobiti zadovoljivo zadevo.
Everlost, tehnika tako napreduje, da bo morda v kratkem povsem vseeno. Priznam pa da tudi sam raje opazujem akustične nažigače v akciji. Ampak.... Sigurno je kul tudi če se ti ljubi in lahko zašpilaš malo tehna.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=55Gmjf4PT20


Ne sei, kkr komo ... js osebno ne maram elektronskih bobnow ... sn bol pristaš akustike ... sicr smo z Wartune pač za promo meli električne bobne v smislu: js pa Buba (bobnar od Thraw) sma v GP napisawa bobne pa jih impotrirawa v Drumkit from Hell ...

Si pa neizmerno želim odigrat na swoje bobne, da bo dejansko tk ko js odigram, čeprau sma se z Bubano feist potrudwa, da so bobni napisani tk ko so odigrani ...
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Dejzi: Matr maš frustracije glede slovenskih bobnarjew LOL ... pač, isto ko pr kitarah ane ... kkr komo paše. Js mam 3 prehode (8', 10', 12') floor-tom (14') in bas bobn (20') ... mam take dimenzije zato ko na njih lažje špilam in ker se mi bolš čuje ko pa da maš neke ibr nizko zweneče tome ... u bas bobno mam eno staro koco pa še oglašenga mam tk da sn si kr hitr premislo glede trigrjow Smile ... Činele bi mogo usak bobnar gledat na to, da jih ma tejk kejkr jih bo dejansko uporablo. Mam 2 spleš čineli in jih fejst uporablam ... and they give the groove into playing Wink ... glede drumle pa: je že zwrst odwisna zaka maš tk oglašeno ... pa tud lastn okus ...

Usak (najbrš) we ka hoče ...

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Hehe, se kr strinjam z Dejzijem, sploh glede snera in prehodov. Smile
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lepo si me nasmejal dejzi

edino tam pri egotu....... nekako se mi zdi da ne poznam bobnarja pr nas k bi mel ego visji od svojga IQa
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Bobnarji ste brez IQ... never forget that! :D
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making of black album je za vsazga k misl da je snemanje pitja piva in programiranja lm7 =)
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Originally posted by Buco Buco wrote:

Bobnarji ste brez IQ... never forget that! :D


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en copy paste iz zidaric foruma.

naslov teme je:

Kdo se pali na kitariste?



en izsek:


ženske ne palijo na kitariste! Naj razložim: Pevc (če ni hkrati tudi kitarist) je pač frontman in pobere večino pozornosti. Ok, vse lepo in prav. Bobnar ("posebna" kot že je ta podvrsta glasbenika) dobi kake odf**kane frače. Tudi prav. Basisti dobijo ponavadi kake intelektualke (neverjetno a resnično). In kitaristi? Kitaristi ponavadi pristanejo z drugimi kitaristi, ki v sebi (potiho) kurcajo tvojo tehniko in opremo. Let's face it! Če ženska ni glasbenica, jo prav boli k**** kolk hitro si zaigral kakšno lestvico in kakega Gibsona/Fenderja whatever špilaš! Prove me wrong!











sicr pa, bobnarji so kul k se z njimi ni treba menit o opremi pa teh bedastocah
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LOL pwned
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Jup, pevci poberejo največ frač, zato je danes povsod polno boybandov.

In ne, drugi v vrsti za drobtine so solo kitaristi. Največ bandov razpade zaradi tega ker hoče tudi ritem kitarist nekaj pozornosti in se nonstop vriva pred njega.

Basist JE intelektualec in trden temelj vsake skupine, zato mu mesto v ozadju odgovarja. Občasno spi s kakim transvestitom, ampak ko porajta je navadno že prepozno.

Bobnar je nekje v ozadju, zasenčen od ostalih kar je edino prav(da folk ne vidi kakšen kreten je) dve palici pa tolčt, "muga muga!", tako glup da ga kar zanaša.

Vsaj tako sem jaz slišal pred leti na radiu Študent. Cele štorije se mi pa ne da pisat.

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Originally posted by Wulf Wulf wrote:

making of black album je za vsazga k misl da je snemanje pitja piva in programiranja lm7 =)
 
LM 7 RULZ!!! LOL 
 
drugač je bil vse skup joke :) in ja, Everlost, mam frustracije pr bobnarjihWink itak, da je vse stvar okusa. Za blast beate itak nekak skor more bit snare zategnen, sam k prou tko USIIIII to hočjo noooo!!! LOL Sj 10 inch tom, če se ga spusti, zna met ful lep sound,....ok 8 inch je pa
že preveč geyTongue sam zakwa noben bobnar noče met takih prehodnih, k so jih mel Nevermore / Iced Earth na '96 touru :) :) :) k je bil po mojem ta pru tko 16 inch :) hehe.... to bi jst enkrat slišal :) :) pa prou 4 prehodne je mel.... pa vse totalno VEEELKE :D
 
 
hehe, Fabo - čaki, da sestavim part II - the reason why i hate all Yngwie Malmstin style lead guitar nerds!!!! :)  pol bo part III - the reason why most metal bass players suck is because they could not get into a metal band playing the guitar ....pol pa še part IV - THE DIVAS behind the microphone...
 
p.s. Splash has so NOTHING to do with the groove!!! LOL 
 
p.p.s. - the reason why i'm still up at 4 a.m. ......been editing some drum tracks Wink


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Originally posted by Wind Carrier Wind Carrier wrote:

Originally posted by Wulf Wulf wrote:

making of black album je za vsazga k misl da je snemanje pitja piva in programiranja lm7 =)
 
LM 7 RULZ!!! LOL 
 
drugač je bil vse skup joke :) in ja, Everlost, mam frustracije pr bobnarjihWink itak, da je vse stvar okusa. Za blast beate itak nekak skor more bit snare zategnen, sam k prou tko USIIIII to hočjo noooo!!! LOL Sj 10 inch tom, če se ga spusti, zna met ful lep sound,....ok 8 inch je pa
že preveč geyTongue sam zakwa noben bobnar noče met takih prehodnih, k so jih mel Nevermore / Iced Earth na '96 touru :) :) :) k je bil po mojem ta pru tko 16 inch :) hehe.... to bi jst enkrat slišal :) :) pa prou 4 prehodne je mel.... pa vse totalno VEEELKE :D
 
 
hehe, Fabo - čaki, da sestavim part II - the reason why i hate all Yngwie Malmstin style lead guitar nerds!!!! :)  pol bo part III - the reason why most metal bass players suck is because they could not get into a metal band playing the guitar ....pol pa še part IV - THE DIVAS behind the microphone...
 
p.s. Splash has so NOTHING to do with the groove!!! LOL 
 
p.p.s. - the reason why i'm still up at 4 a.m. ......been editing some drum tracks Wink
 
Tjab pa muska velik stresa povzroča, ljaga...WinkLOL


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Splash is a cymbal which makes death metal funky! Infectious grooves style!

About blast beats - one has to read the philosophy of Pete Sandoval!

About high snares - i hate them too, and i tune them to metal!

Never used triggers and never will!

I deny pro tools and hit my drum like my ex-girlfriend used to hit me - beating the shit out of! :)

One does not need more than two toms to destroy!

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Originally posted by Wind Carrier Wind Carrier wrote:

Originally posted by Wulf Wulf wrote:

making of black album je za vsazga k misl da je snemanje pitja piva in programiranja lm7 =)
 
LM 7 RULZ!!! LOL 
 
drugač je bil vse skup joke :) in ja, Everlost, mam frustracije pr bobnarjihWink itak, da je vse stvar okusa. Za blast beate itak nekak skor more bit snare zategnen, sam k prou tko USIIIII to hočjo noooo!!! LOL Sj 10 inch tom, če se ga spusti, zna met ful lep sound,....ok 8 inch je pa
že preveč geyTongue sam zakwa noben bobnar noče met takih prehodnih, k so jih mel Nevermore / Iced Earth na '96 touru :) :) :) k je bil po mojem ta pru tko 16 inch :) hehe.... to bi jst enkrat slišal :) :) pa prou 4 prehodne je mel.... pa vse totalno VEEELKE :D
 
 
hehe, Fabo - čaki, da sestavim part II - the reason why i hate all Yngwie Malmstin style lead guitar nerds!!!! :)  pol bo part III - the reason why most metal bass players suck is because they could not get into a metal band playing the guitar ....pol pa še part IV - THE DIVAS behind the microphone...
 
p.s. Splash has so NOTHING to do with the groove!!! LOL 
 
p.p.s. - the reason why i'm still up at 4 a.m. ......been editing some drum tracks Wink


Dejzi, Slowenija je mala ... ni wejk nekih metal bobnarjew ... je pač nanswo da usem paše da so drumle tk oglašene, vem da mni paše pr blastih in tud pr 'tuca-tuca' in USE kar je umes ...

Glede tomow: Tk ko sn rek, stwar okusa ... za tbe je 8' tom gay, mn so pa usi nad 16' Wink

Pr splešo si ga pa zai feist mimo useko ... se widi da nis bobnar pol pa tumarijo izjawiš. Spleš JE groove. Tk ko ti je Tegla napiso.
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1. Bobnarji pa melodije = skregano
2. Bobnarji pa delanje novih komadov = skregano
3. Splash je ql
4. Blastbeat je odveč
5. Elektronski bobni = guitar hero
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Originally posted by Peacedefender Peacedefender wrote:

1. Bobnarji pa melodije = skregano
2. Bobnarji pa delanje novih komadov = skregano
3. Splash je ql
4. Blastbeat je odveč
5. Elektronski bobni = guitar hero


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elektronci so zakon Embarrassed sploh, če maš spodobno računalo in furaš vst inštrumente v navezi s trigger to midi/usb konverterjem. moduli sucks, razn rolandovih top of the pops td10/20, ki pa sta velik €€€.
in če nimaš lih dveh levih rok, lahko z malo truda narediš home made elektronce. al pa svoje stare bobne predelaš. diy. za đabe skor.

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Zanimiwo da glih tsti najweč wete o bobnih, ko jih sploh ne špilate Smile ... Phantom: "Sicer pa Slovenija pač ne premore enga "univerzalca", a la Paul Bostaph." --> Kitaristow, basistow, pewcou in ostalo Slovenija tot naša mala kura ne premore.

Pa se lahk debata kr konča Wink

Sicr pa: usakmo paše neki drugega ... isto je pr kitaristih in ostalih ... me ne moti če usak powe swoje mnenje, sam ko znate usiii teeeeeeejkooo 'pametowat' glede kk mrjo bobni bt pa kk se jih mre špilat - ust se za bobne pa probi, pa wrjmi da nč od naštetega noben od was neo znau ... to me moti. Še nisn srečo u Sloveniji bobnarja ko bi se tk močno razgoworo o kakmo kitaristo ... (pa ne zai prosim nabijat da bobnarji niamo posluha kom komo brco stisno ... smart-asses) ...

Danc bo fain ... mrzo pir, jointi, krapi pa namazan ksiht LOL
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Sicer pa Slovenija pač ne premore enga "univerzalca", a la Paul Bostaph. Ta tip ve, kako se zadevi streže. Bobnom postreže "the last supper", se enako potrudi kjerkoli je (ne samo, da je več kot dobro zamenjal Lombarda, Divine Intervention ima popolnoma svež okus zaradi njega).
Za razliko od Lombarda se mi zdi, da igra bolj usmerjeno, medtem ko Lombardo bolj nabija (več na moči). O njegovem videzu pa, tipo ima še vedno čupo in med igranjem (koncerti) čupa. Popolnost metalskega bobnarja.
 
Sean Reinert (Death) je plato za pomnjenje Focus od Cynic snemal tudi na elektronske bobne. On in Bobby Jarzombek sta zame primer kvalitetnih bobnarjev.
 
Prehodi morajo bit slišni, tako kot to dela Chuck Profus, s stilom, občutno (kicking their asses), izvirno in pomnljivo.

Mater, moram se strinjati z vsemi točkami (sploh glede Bostaphovega "še vedno" čupanja, najbolj se vidi pr Monsters of Rock 1996, ko res noronoro čupa skozi cel set in lomi po kantah), razen preveč subjektivnega dodatka Profusa med mega skilled and talented drummers.Big%20smile
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Se strinjam z delčki vsega kar je blo napisano kle, se pa meni osebno zdi glede bobnarjev, da situacija sploh ni tako krizna. Dobr, površnost obstaja (predvsem se zavedam tud lastne), ampak gre večinoma za mlade bande, tako da kilometrina se bo nabrala, znanje stopnjevalo - seveda dokler bo volja do napredovanja. Mislm, da je sploh v vsem zarad tazga navala enih informacij/medijev, konc koncu tud glasbe, človeško pričakovanje doseglo zlo velik prag. Ne gle de na to da je Lars dan danes navaden "rockstar" (v najslabšem pomenu besede), mu gre vse priznanje za eksplozivnost in inovativnost (dobr glede tega izraza bi se loh pogajali :)) kateri sta pripomogli v tistem "pravem" trenutku sprožit neko celo novo gibanje. Vsi pa pozabimo, da je biu na začetku (tako kot marsikdo drug - tudi danes) pač zelo površen in slab :) Če bi ga že v štartu sesuli, skritizirali (hvalabogu ni bilo paranoida v San Franciscu, 1982) in dali v nič, bi se stvari lahko drugače obrnile :)

Tko da, površnost gor dol, js v sloveniji za razliko od par let nazaj opažam zelo veliko dobrih bandov, z dobrimi idejami in če bojo tko ustrajali tud z zanimivo prihodnostjo :)
Kako je pa kdo uglašen in kako kdo igra, je pa res tolk subjektivna stvar, da se sploh nimamo kej pogovarjat :) zakaj bi odvračali in označevali nekaj kar je drugačno takoj kot slabo? :)

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On in Bobby Jarzombek sta zame primer kvalitetnih bobnarjev.


Bobby je fajn ja, ampak na enih Riot albumih ima pa precej beden zvok bobnov.
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Bobnarji sploh niso ljudje...TongueBig%20smile


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So mašine, poslane iz prihodnosti, z vgrajenimi osnovnimi funkcijami, narobe naštelane, da ne znajo držati naših ritmov in nas z bremzanjem, prehitevanjem ter napačnimi šusi spravljajo ob živce,... : )

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So mašine, poslane iz prihodnosti, z vgrajenimi osnovnimi funkcijami, narobe naštelane, da ne znajo držati naših ritmov in nas z bremzanjem, prehitevanjem ter napačnimi šusi spravljajo ob živce,... : )
 
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Se strinjam z delčki vsega kar je blo napisano kle, se pa meni osebno zdi glede bobnarjev, da situacija sploh ni tako krizna. Dobr, površnost obstaja (predvsem se zavedam tud lastne), ampak gre večinoma za mlade bande, tako da kilometrina se bo nabrala, znanje stopnjevalo - seveda dokler bo volja do napredovanja. Mislm, da je sploh v vsem zarad tazga navala enih informacij/medijev, konc koncu tud glasbe, človeško pričakovanje doseglo zlo velik prag. Ne gle de na to da je Lars dan danes navaden "rockstar" (v najslabšem pomenu besede), mu gre vse priznanje za eksplozivnost in inovativnost (dobr glede tega izraza bi se loh pogajali :)) kateri sta pripomogli v tistem "pravem" trenutku sprožit neko celo novo gibanje. Vsi pa pozabimo, da je biu na začetku (tako kot marsikdo drug - tudi danes) pač zelo površen in slab :) Če bi ga že v štartu sesuli, skritizirali (hvalabogu ni bilo paranoida v San Franciscu, 1982) in dali v nič, bi se stvari lahko drugače obrnile :)

Tko da, površnost gor dol, js v sloveniji za razliko od par let nazaj opažam zelo veliko dobrih bandov, z dobrimi idejami in če bojo tko ustrajali tud z zanimivo prihodnostjo :)
Kako je pa kdo uglašen in kako kdo igra, je pa res tolk subjektivna stvar, da se sploh nimamo kej pogovarjat :) zakaj bi odvračali in označevali nekaj kar je drugačno takoj kot slabo? :)

Hawgh!
 
 
kar se mene tiče je bil Lars odličen in nadpovprečen bobnar že na Kill 'em All, k jo je posnel zelo mlad. Plata ma fantastičen sound, če računaš, da je bla snemana leta 83 in z majhnim proračunom. Folk pozabla na to, da se dober sound doseže predvsem z igranjem inšturemnta in šele daleč na drugem mestu z vrhunsko opremo..... meni osebno so itak ful všeč tud underground produkcije in pač ne tolk fensy, sam mi je pa všeč, da stvari lepo zvenijo - se pravi, da so lepo zaigrane in uglašene....
 
kakšn je bil pa na začetku pa ne vem, ker ga ne poznam in ga nism nikol poznalLOLLOLLOL vsekakor je mel voljo in vztrajnost, kar se edino ceni.... ostalo je brezpredmetno nabijanje in ne mislim več debaterat sploh...
 
kako je kdo uglašen je delno subjektivna stvar po mojem, ne pa 100%. Pač obstajajo neka pravila, zdej, če je višje ali nižje je itak stvar okusa. Kadar sm v vlogi producerja nikol ne vsiljujem sounda in itak že po defaultu predlagam sound, k po mojem paše v muzko (zadnjo besedo pa ima vedno bend, k ga snemam) - primer.
V moderni death  metal z veliko blast beata mi je navadn, da bo sedu visok snare in nek počasni flow Groove hard Rock 'n Roll v stilu the Donnas bo sedu nižji snare..... spet npr. tud v black metal, sploh če je old skul po mojem sede malo nižji ton Snera.... :/ odvisno spet....
 
seveda so pravila zato, da se kršijo, sam če pa je stvar razglašena, tu ne gre več za okus ampak malomarnost....
 
pol pr bendu je že drugač - tam se probajo sklepat kompromisi.... je pa težko itak.... k npr. pr nas ma bobnar vedno tak sound, k ga on hoče in se mi še vedno vtika v sound kitar in zato pač za dušo delam svojo muzko, kjer sm lahko svobodn in mi noben ne vsiljuje svojih idej in dam svoji domišliji prosto pot - TNX TO DRUMAGOG & SUPERIOR DRUMMERClap
 
glede solo projektov je tko, da pač so to my babies in ne prenesem, da bi mi kak bobnar vsiljeval svoje ideje, če mi ne bi ble všeč.... nekako je tko ,da če uletiš v solo projekt po mojem je že po bontonu tko, da se nekako prlagajaš željam šefeta - vsaj jst vem, da če bi nekam uletu kot gost na kitari bi najprej vprašal kak zvok si želijo itd....
 
zato tud vrjetno še en lep čas ne bom fural svojih zadev liveLOL - no ne samo zato....ampak tudi zato...
 
seveda so pr nas tud svetle izjeme. Naš bobnar mi je ql, pa Simmy of One out of Hell mi je totalni car - najboljši slo metal bobnar zame pa je in vedno bo BLAŽ - ex. Dusk Delight!!! Guy that really can put the money where his mouth is.... no B.S. - just action....
 
 ok, zdej se mi pa res ne da več debaterat o teh zadevah....vsak zase itak ve pr čem je.... i might be a grumpy old fart, but at least i know where i stand and at least i get it and some of you don't and some of you just never will.
 
Pač uno glede bobnarjev - blast beata, splashev, visokih snerov itd itd itd....  je bil itak joke....
 
samo uno glede tega, kako je treba tolčt boben so pa pač gola dejstva - tle ni nekih okusov in mazanja ven, če boš stvar naredu tko, k je treba, bo zvenela dobro, in če ne, potem bo pač tvoj bend zvenel tko k zveni...... sj sam veš kako je... al se ti da in vztrajaš al pa ga pač suckaš.... you either rock or you suck, there is no middle way..... you do it or you don't.
 
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Originally posted by devlin devlin wrote:

So mašine, poslane iz prihodnosti, z vgrajenimi osnovnimi funkcijami, narobe naštelane, da ne znajo držati naših ritmov in nas z bremzanjem, prehitevanjem ter napačnimi šusi spravljajo ob živce,... : )
 
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hehe ,sj to je lih najbolj paradox :) tko, k snemaš nekoga, se trudiš in ga spodbujaš, da bi bil čim bolj točen... v bistvu so nam zgled mašine...oz. ko bi probal s prosto roko čim bolj ravno linijo potegnt.... no meni še vseeno mi ni fajn prevelka vezanost na klik itd....včas more muzka mal zaplavat po svoje in zafilingirat, zato, da je sploh živa....
 
spet pol, če si geek in nerd, tko k jstLOL pol delaš svojo muzko z narisanimi bobni in pol delaš pa ravno obratno - jih iz popolnosti probaš mal vzorčit po človeških lastnostih.... nalaš delaš napake...
 
jst zdej delam tko, da jih narišem na mrežo, pol pa čez odigram činele čim bolj točno kar lahk, pol jih grem pa po činelah "pokvarit" in ful lepo človeško zveni vse skup - samo it takes mindblowing amounts of time...je pa še zmer boljš, k ukvarjat se z BOBNARJI!!!!  hehe Hug
 
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Originally posted by Wind Carrier Wind Carrier wrote:

Originally posted by Božo IV Božo IV wrote:

Originally posted by devlin devlin wrote:

So mašine, poslane iz prihodnosti, z vgrajenimi osnovnimi funkcijami, narobe naštelane, da ne znajo držati naših ritmov in nas z bremzanjem, prehitevanjem ter napačnimi šusi spravljajo ob živce,... : )
 
Ampak to so čist človeške lastnosti...Big%20smile
 
 
hehe ,sj to je lih najbolj paradox :) tko, k snemaš nekoga, se trudiš in ga spodbujaš, da bi bil čim bolj točen... v bistvu so nam zgled mašine...oz. ko bi probal s prosto roko čim bolj ravno linijo potegnt.... no meni še vseeno mi ni fajn prevelka vezanost na klik itd....včas more muzka mal zaplavat po svoje in zafilingirat, zato, da je sploh živa....
 
spet pol, če si geek in nerd, tko k jstLOL pol delaš svojo muzko z narisanimi bobni in pol delaš pa ravno obratno - jih iz popolnosti probaš mal vzorčit po človeških lastnostih.... nalaš delaš napake...
 
jst zdej delam tko, da jih narišem na mrežo, pol pa čez odigram činele čim bolj točno kar lahk, pol jih grem pa po činelah "pokvarit" in ful lepo človeško zveni vse skup - samo it takes mindblowing amounts of time...je pa še zmer boljš, k ukvarjat se z BOBNARJI!!!!  hehe Hug
 
nč, zdej pa res morm pičit Tongue
 
Puol pa praujo, da so buobnarji ud muskontarjev taboljši prjatli...Big%20smile


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Ne pa sej sm napisal da se v določenih pogledih strinjam z vsemi :) Daleč od tega da bi karkol hotu kontrirat.
Sam glasba je tolk subjektivna, da je zelo težko potegnt črto med tem kaj "rocka" in kaj "sucka". Neuglašenosti sploh nebi komentiral, ampak stil igranja, sound (če glih ni res podn in ne sede v band), malenkosti, to je vse tolk osebno da se enostavno ne da rečt da je eno slabo, drugo odlično!

Men recimo uni visoki pskrčki od prehodov ful sedejo pr recimo Agent Steel, Pestilence itd. Nebi jih pa lih potikal povsod :)
S tem da pa močno kontriram napadom na bobnarje :) Vsaj PR NAS je bobnar velik faktor pri pisanju komadov, dost idej se je rodilo iz njegovih ritmov, tko da bobnarji, če le hočejo, znajo kr prispevat pr pisanju komadov. Sam so pa večinoma bl leni :D

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