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Res je, tudi jaz sem večino tega že kot otrok vedel. Ampak mislim, da preveč osebno jemlješ ta poljudni pristop nekaterih stvari. Video cilja na neke splošne predstave popolnih laikov, ne podcenjuje tvojega znanja direktno. Samo zato, ker nisi ciljna publika, še ne pomeni, da informacije niso zanimive. Nigga chill ...

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Btw, še kdo poleg mene spremlja britanski panel show QI? Imajo cel kup znanstveno povezanih zadev.

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Imas prav, malce izpadem hiperreaktiven.
Saj nisem resnicno razpizden, malo teatralnosti uporabljam, da pac podcrtam neke... ne vem kako bi rekel, morda ... osnove (?), pravzaprav da izpostavim, da je izhodisce drugje. Ce lahko, nocem pa biti prevzeten.

To da nekdo linka tak video prispevek je samo po sebi fair, keine problem, ti si pac dal vedeti, da obstaja ta prispevek. Ne enacim te z vsebino.
Celo dobro je, da to krozi, da vemo, pri cem smo (ali nismo).
Konec koncev raje nek transparenten fake on fake kot pa verjeti se 80 let kasneje, da brontozaver obstaja, tudi potem ko smo pred vsaj pol stoletja zvedeli, da je slo za fake.


Ce pa za par stopinj znizam temperaturo svoje tople krvi, brez fake-skandalisticnega-oh my god-pristopa, se spoprijemam(o) z nenapisanim vprasanjem, koliko odbojke med bolj ali manj osnovanimi assumptions igramo vsak dan, ce se za razgrajevanje nekih laznih mitov ponujajo/predpostavljajo drugi.

Saj kot sem ze rekel, za to ni kriva neposredno znanost (cetudi se za poslusanja vredno mesto v druzbi znanstvenik marsikdaj spusti v marketinsko poenostavljanje in spakiranje neke kompleksne problematike v gesla).


Zal se vse zreducira v "vi, ki ste do sedaj mislili, da..." "sedaj ti bom jaz rekel, kako" "vecina ljudi je prepricana, pa ni res..."
To seveda ni znanstveni jezik, to je jezik s katerim si znanost (tudi preko medijev, novinarjev, urada za stike z javnostjo) zal odpira nek prostor v pozornostni sferi ljudi... in zato s(m)o krivi ljudje, ki raje siisimo za kaj, ce zveni:

TAKOLE - A:
"vecina ljudi ima povprecno in lazno predstavo, saj se vedno po skoraj 100 letih verjame v obstoj brontozavra, ti pa ki gledas ta video bos lahko koga presenetil, ker je dokazano, da je fake, in ti to sedaj ves..."

KOT PA TAKOLE - B:
"paleontolog X je bil narcisoidno vojno s paleontologom Y, do tega, da sta si celo sabotirala delo eden drugemu... eden je celo skonstruiral novega dinozavra, s tem da je naklepno in namensko okostju apatozavra dodal lobanjo kamarozavra in dobil novo zival, da bi konkurenta iznicil... zato se je vec let verjelo v obstoj neke tretje vrste, v resnici pa je slo za apatozavra... kljub temu, da so igrico razkrinkali ze v 19. stoletju, se je do sedemdesetih let 20. stoletja pisalo o obstoju brontozavra, ki je zgolj sinonim za apatozavra."

A ugaja dosti vec kot B. To zato ker precej ljudem ugaja ne toliko resnica v anti-antropocentricnem pomenu besede, temvec katero resnico se da bolj antropocentricno (in egocentricno) uporabljati kot orozje proti drugemu socloveku, pa cetudi zgolj med razgovorckom v baru, da se lahko petelini(mo/jo)...

In s tem se mora tudi znanost spoprijemati (tudi ona isce neko poslusnot med ignoranti in tudi med antropocentriki, kot politika). Tudi znanost mora kloniti zakonu da nekdo postane zanimiv in bogat, ves kako in kdaj? 

Ko zna vse osreciti in ga zato poslusajo in placajo.



Edited by KILL YOUR IDOLS! - 10.Sep.2014 at 17:56
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Mitja (KYI), a lahko eno vprašanje?

Vidim, da pogosto daješ neke linke ali ne vem kaj že, glej sliko spodaj, kaj točno želiš narediti? Dodati link, sliko?





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Ne, sploh ne, to se mi pojavlja 10 dni sem avtomaticno, verjetno sem nehote sprozil kak avtomatizem in se ga ne znam znebiti, najprej sem mislil, da je kaj v zvezi s piskotki...
Ne glede na spletno stran, torej ni stvar Paranoida.
Ker sem racunalniski troglodit, bom moral koga vprasati.

Sem tudi poskusil brisati, a se avtomaticno vsili.

Ce je za forum to problem, se lahko izognem pisanju, dokler ne resim (kar bom itak moral...)


Hvala za razumevanje.




Edited by KILL YOUR IDOLS! - 10.Sep.2014 at 17:56
On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conquérant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.

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Odstrani plugin gophoto.it, pa bo. 
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Zdaj sem ga tam nekje nasel in ga odstranil... poskusim, if it works.
Ce je tako, najlepsa hvala.


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Edited by KILL YOUR IDOLS! - 10.Sep.2014 at 17:45
On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conquérant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.

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Originally posted by KILL YOUR IDOLS! KILL YOUR IDOLS! wrote:

Imas prav, malce izpadem hiperreaktiven.
Saj nisem resnicno razpizden, malo teatralnosti uporabljam, da pac podcrtam neke... ne vem kako bi rekel, morda ... osnove (?), pravzaprav da izpostavim, da je izhodisce drugje. Ce lahko, nocem pa biti prevzeten.

To da nekdo linka tak video prispevek je samo po sebi fair, keine problem, ti si pac dal vedeti, da obstaja ta prispevek. Ne enacim te z vsebino.
Celo dobro je, da to krozi, da vemo, pri cem smo (ali nismo).
Konec koncev raje nek transparenten fake on fake kot pa verjeti se 80 let kasneje, da brontozaver obstaja, tudi potem ko smo pred vsaj pol stoletja zvedeli, da je slo za fake.


Ce pa za par stopinj znizam temperaturo svoje tople krvi, brez fake-skandalisticnega-oh my god-pristopa, se spoprijemam(o) z nenapisanim vprasanjem, koliko odbojke med bolj ali manj osnovanimi assumptions igramo vsak dan, ce se za razgrajevanje nekih laznih mitov ponujajo/predpostavljajo drugi.

Saj kot sem ze rekel, za to ni kriva neposredno znanost (cetudi se za poslusanja vredno mesto v druzbi znanstvenik marsikdaj spusti v marketinsko poenostavljanje in spakiranje neke kompleksne problematike v gesla).


Zal se vse zreducira v "vi, ki ste do sedaj mislili, da..." "sedaj ti bom jaz rekel, kako" "vecina ljudi je prepricana, pa ni res..."
To seveda ni znanstveni jezik, to je jezik s katerim si znanost (tudi preko medijev, novinarjev, urada za stike z javnostjo) zal odpira nek prostor v pozornostni sferi ljudi... in zato s(m)o krivi ljudje, ki raje siisimo za kaj, ce zveni:

TAKOLE - A:
"vecina ljudi ima povprecno in lazno predstavo, saj se vedno po skoraj 100 letih verjame v obstoj brontozavra, ti pa ki gledas ta video bos lahko koga presenetil, ker je dokazano, da je fake, in ti to sedaj ves..."

KOT PA TAKOLE - B:
"paleontolog X je bil narcisoidno vojno s paleontologom Y, do tega, da sta si celo sabotirala delo eden drugemu... eden je celo skonstruiral novega dinozavra, s tem da je naklepno in namensko okostju apatozavra dodal lobanjo kamarozavra in dobil novo zival, da bi konkurenta iznicil... zato se je vec let verjelo v obstoj neke tretje vrste, v resnici pa je slo za apatozavra... kljub temu, da so igrico razkrinkali ze v 19. stoletju, se je do sedemdesetih let 20. stoletja pisalo o obstoju brontozavra, ki je zgolj sinonim za apatozavra."

A ugaja dosti vec kot B. To zato ker precej ljudem ugaja ne toliko resnica v anti-antropocentricnem pomenu besede, temvec katero resnico se da bolj antropocentricno (in egocentricno) uporabljati kot orozje proti drugemu socloveku, pa cetudi zgolj med razgovorckom v baru, da se lahko petelini(mo/jo)...

In s tem se mora tudi znanost spoprijemati (tudi ona isce neko poslusnot med ignoranti in tudi med antropocentriki, kot politika). Tudi znanost mora kloniti zakonu da nekdo postane zanimiv in bogat, ves kako in kdaj? 

Ko zna vse osreciti in ga zato poslusajo in placajo.



Problem je predvsem v tem, da če bi se spravil brat znanstveni tekst, polovice ne bi štekal (okej, pravkar mi je potegnilo, da se ful precenjujem - 22:01 critical update). Prav tako verjetno marsikaj ne bi bilo jasno tudi tistim znanstvenikom, ki usmerjajo vso svojo energijo v eno specifično področje. 
Vse skupaj hitro rata pretežko in posledično preveč dolgočasno. 

Če želimo v tej temi sploh kaj objavljati da ostane interesantna zame in večino ostalih je najbolje, da se držimo poljudnih razlag :-/.

Kar se mene tiče znanost za debile torej. Raketne fizike ne kapiram Dead


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Ja, je v glavnem tako, kot je ze bilo podcrtano na prejsnji strani.
Ves v cem je problem, fucking big problem?
Da dokler je bila se zanimiva recimo Newtonova fizika in je bilo govora pretezno se o njej, spravljanje le-te na neko poljudno znanstveno raven se ni oddaljevalo bogve koliko od znanstvenega jezika in dela...

Ce gres pa na drugi svet, v mikro in makro smer, spravljanje le-tega v "bolj po domace" komunikacijo tako oddalji od nekega smisla, da ga popolnoma zgubi.


Je pa tudi treba reci, da se najde nekdo tu pa tam, ki zna tudi s poenostavljanjem, najveckrat z instrumentom analogije, spraviti na pladenj tudi za dummie-je tudi kompleksnejso znanost, ne da bi zato zgubila na dostojanstvu in bila spakedrana na raven gospe pri frizerki pa oh pa to pa ono.
Bom poskusil najti kaj v tej smeri, za dokaz, da ce se zeli, se da.
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Okej, bolje povedano (uh, oh, prejšnja stran Question), ampak pač moraš najti folk iz foha, ki ima čas, voljo in zna komunicirati z (pod)povprečnežem. Dober primer bi bil recimo Carl Sagan. 

Vendar so taki redki (ker so večinoma precej zaposleni z daleč pametnejšimi zadevami kot je plavim ovratnikom razlagati kompleksne zadeve) in koštajo več denarja, tako da večino zadev dobimo preko drugačnih posrednikov prenos podatkov pa je občutljiva zadeva.


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Originally posted by Gorjanec Gorjanec wrote:

Btw, še kdo poleg mene spremlja britanski panel show QI? Imajo cel kup znanstveno povezanih zadev.

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Qi! Ena redkih stvari "na televiziji", ki jo obsedeno gledam. Sem sel ze 3x od A do K, zdaj pa nestrpno L cakam... Tole z luno se pa se zaplete in razplete v kasnejsih sezonah, ne bom spoilal :)
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Mnja, počasi bi se že spodobila nova sezona ... Smile
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Ko smo že pri tem, še ena zanimiva britanska oddaja - Dara O Briain's Science Club.


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Nisem preverjal referenc, samo odložil nekam, kjer bom jutri našel in prebral (ker sem sredi ene zanimive comp. verbalne šparunge z Američani). Če je še ena glupost just nuke it Smile



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vprašanje za kemike oz. fizike oz. tiste, ki so v šoli poslušali. Izhajamo iz dejstva, da sm mel v osnovni kemijo 2, v srednji 3 ker sm bil profesorci všeč, na faxu pa tega več ni bilo... glih toliko da vemo na kakšnem nivoju bo potekal morebitni pogovor, če bo do njega prišlo:

Torej. Vsaka stvar je sestavljena iz atomov, ki jih drži skupaj neko elektromagnetno valovanje (al sm ustrelu mimo takoj na začetku?!). Aluminij je sestavljen iz atomov. Železo tudi. Atomi enega se držijo skupaj, atomi drugega tudi. Skupaj jih drži ista sila (sito EM valovanje). Ampak vseeno lahko skozi aluminij z železom zvrtamo luknjo, obratno pa ne. Zakaj? Zakaj je železo bolj trdno, zakaj se njegovi atomi bolj skupaj držijo kot atomi aluminija? 

Če prav razumem, se pri "poškodovanju" aluminija atomi ločijo, medtem ko se železovi še vedno držijo skupaj...

Zakaj?




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Kovnske atome drži skupaj kovinska vez. Atomi sharajo valenčne elektrone in nastane elektronski oblak (zato so kovine prevodne). Mehanske lastnosti kovin so v osnovi odvisne od energije kovinske vezi. 
Aluminij vs železo: Atom aluminija ima 13 elektronov, atom železa 26. More the merrier. Pelg tega - en atom Al ima v ''zadnji'' podlupini (s) 1 valenčni elektron, ki tvori z valenčnimi elektroni sosednjih atomov elektronski oblak (kovinska vez). En atom Fe ima v "zadnji" (d) podlupini 6 valenčnih elektronov, ki tvorijo s sorodnimi elektroni sosednjih atomov kovinsko vez. Ker je v tem primeru več valenčnih elektronov, je vez močnejša. Po domače - jedro atoma je pozitivno, elektroni so negativni in več je valenčnih elektronov, večja je privlačnost jedra in elektronskega oblaka. Zaradi močnejše vezi je torej težje ''ločiti'' atome železa od atomov aluminija.

p.s. Sveder za vrtat luknje ni iz železa ampak iz zlitine železa, ogljika in ostalih elementov (jeklo), ki občutno izboljšajo mehanske lastnosti čistega železa. Sveder je za večjo trdnot tudi toplotno obdelan. S tem lahko dosežemo tudi 10x boljše mehanske lastnosti jekla v primerjavi s čistim železom.

Ne garantiram, da čisto vse zgoraj napisano drži Embarrassed


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Aaaaaarg, ne me spominjat! Sovražim kemijo!! Dead

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Originally posted by Sova Sova wrote:

Kovnske atome drži skupaj kovinska vez. Atomi sharajo valenčne elektrone in nastane elektronski oblak (zato so kovine prevodne). Mehanske lastnosti kovin so v osnovi odvisne od energije kovinske vezi. 
Aluminij vs železo: Atom aluminija ima 13 elektronov, atom železa 26. More the merrier. Pelg tega - en atom Al ima v ''zadnji'' podlupini (s) 1 valenčni elektron, ki tvori z valenčnimi elektroni sosednjih atomov elektronski oblak (kovinska vez). En atom Fe ima v "zadnji" (d) podlupini 6 valenčnih elektronov, ki tvorijo s sorodnimi elektroni sosednjih atomov kovinsko vez. Ker je v tem primeru več valenčnih elektronov, je vez močnejša. Po domače - jedro atoma je pozitivno, elektroni so negativni in več je valenčnih elektronov, večja je privlačnost jedra in elektronskega oblaka. Zaradi močnejše vezi je torej težje ''ločiti'' atome železa od atomov aluminija.

p.s. Sveder za vrtat luknje ni iz železa ampak iz zlitine železa, ogljika in ostalih elementov (jeklo), ki občutno izboljšajo mehanske lastnosti čistega železa. Sveder je za večjo trdnot tudi toplotno obdelan. S tem lahko dosežemo tudi 10x boljše mehanske lastnosti jekla v primerjavi s čistim železom.

Ne garantiram, da čisto vse zgoraj napisano drži Embarrassed

Hvala lepa za izčrpno razlago! Mi je marsikaj bolj jasno. Bom še malo pogooglal v tej smeri za dodatno razčiščenje pojmov (podlipine, pa valenčni elektroni mi še malo burijo duhove, ampak v osnovi mi je jasno)
Potiho upam, da ne prideta zdaj še 2 kemika in se skregata na doktrorski ravni kaj je prav in kaj narobe Smile 
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Tud js sem mogu mal pogooglat, ker sem že marsikaj pozabu iz faksnih dni :) Lahko si pogledaš Bohrov model atoma, atomske in molekulske orbitale itd. Se kar nabere enih stvari na kvantnem nivoju, ja. Se mi zdi, da je detaljno to bl stvar fizike kot kemije, js sm pa metalurg tko da nism čist kredibilen glede teh zadev heh :)
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Danes me je spet malo pretreslo kako folk slika nebo in te stvari.

Upam da se v glavnem vsaj nekateri strinjamo da je 'geoinženiring' do zdaj v glavnem pomenil tole:


In tole:


In tole (tip mi sicer ne deluje nek blazen kredibilnež, ampak problem je po mojem kar resno pristen):


In tole:



In v tem stilu naprej.


Pa ne tolk hejtat contrailov pa raje kaj reciklirajte no ljudje božji Big smile




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Si predstavljate, kako bo taka tehnologija pomagala invalidom, ko bo dostopnejša? Ampak pejmo se najprej raje še malo streljat 

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Originally posted by Gorjanec Gorjanec wrote:

Mnja, počasi bi se že spodobila nova sezona ... Smile

Evo, dvanajsta sezona oddaje QI se je začela pred par dnevi! Lamp
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Najbolj mi je všeč ta o zlati ribici:

While not the smartest, goldfish boast a memory span of 3 months - better than most politicians. Big smile
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Originally posted by Lif. Lif. wrote:

Najbolj mi je všeč ta o zlati ribici:

While not the smartest, goldfish boast a memory span of 3 months - better than most politicians. Big smile

Jp, pa better than most voters na žalost tudi Big smile
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Ribe so v resnici pametnejše, kot pa si ljudje domišljamo. Nekaj o tem:http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/content.php?sid=6434
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Nikar ne zganjajte panike glede ebole! Obstaja namreč čudežno zdravilo zanjo (in tudi za vse ostale bolezni na svetu)! LOL




Pa še malo pametnega teksta na zgornjo temo: http://www.riskscience.umich.edu/nano-silver-used-treat-ebola-victims-nigeria/
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LOL!

Ampak njej pa res lahko verjamemo. Saj ima stetoskop okoli vratu vendar.


Tole najdeš v drobnem tisku na dnu njene spletne strani:
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These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA.

This product is not intended to prevent, treat or cure any disease. Revised 6/16/10"

Your highness, when I said that you are like a stream of bat's piss, I only mean that you shine out like a shaft of gold when all around it is dark
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Kako se že temu reče v kapitalizmu? Upravljanje s človeškimi viri ali nekaj takega. Včasih smo temu rekli goljufija in je bilo kaznivo.
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Za vse luzerje, ki imate punce namesto prostitutk Tongue


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Eksplozija rakete Antares včeraj. Namen je bil oskrbeti ISS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELnq7StVP6s

Ena dražjih eksplozij letos najbrž Cry


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Your highness, when I said that you are like a stream of bat's piss, I only mean that you shine out like a shaft of gold when all around it is dark
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Ne bi bil nikoli astronavt. Kljub vsem pregledom in varnostnim ukrepom me ne pripraviš niti z debelo plačo do tega, da bi se vsedel na toliko kerozina.

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Genetically modified crops

Field research

The biggest study so far finds that GM crops have large, widespread benefits

ON NOVEMBER 4th voters in Colorado rejected a ballot initiative that would have required special labels for foods made with genetically modified (GM) ingredients. As The Economist went to press, voters in Oregon seemed likely to say no to a similar proposal there, though the count was not complete. Regardless of the outcome, however, the referendums indicate the strength of feeling generated by GM crops: the Oregon vote was the costliest ballot in the state’s history. By chance, the day before the poll saw the publication in PLOS ONE of the largest review yet conducted of the crops’ effects on farming. It concludes that these have been overwhelmingly positive.

The review in question is a meta-analysis. This is a statistically rigorous study of studies, rather than a mere summary of the literature. Its authors, Matin Qaim and Wilhelm Klümper, both of Göttingen University, in Germany, went through all examinations of the agronomic and economic impacts of GM crops published in English between 1995 and March 2014. This provides a near-complete survey. Most studies of the subject have been published in English, and the widespread adoption of such crops began only in the mid-1990s.

Commercial genetic modification for crops comes in two forms. One makes them resistant to insect pests. The other confers tolerance to glyphosate, enabling farmers to spray their fields with this herbicide and kill off all the other plants (ie, the weeds) in them. As a consequence, the study found, herbicide-tolerant crops have lower production costs—though this was not true for insect-resistant crops, where the need for less pesticide was offset by higher seed prices, and overall production costs were thus about the same as for unmodified crops. With both forms of modification, however, the yield rise was so great (9% above non-GM crops for herbicide tolerance and 25% above for insect resistance) that farmers who adopted GM crops made 69% higher profits than those who did not.

Many poor countries eschew GM crops, fearing they will not able to export them to areas which ban them, notably the European Union. This has a big opportunity cost. Dr Qaim and Dr Klümper found that GM crops do even better in poor countries than in rich ones. Farmers in developing nations who use the technology achieve yields 14 percentage points above those of GM farmers in the rich world. Pests and weeds are a bigger problem in poor countries, so GM confers bigger benefits.

In debates about GM the methodology of studies has often generated as much controversy as the crops themselves. Drs Klümper and Qaim have done something to moderate these controversies, too. Though some studies they include were not peer-reviewed, and a few of the early ones did not report sample sizes, limiting their value, the data they used for the meta-analysis—which include conference papers, working papers and book chapters as well as work published in academic journals—may correct for perceived publication bias, the tendency of journals to publish only the most dramatic findings. This large body of evidence enabled the authors to control for possible differences in matters other than whether a crop was modified or not, such as fertiliser use. They also found that who pays for a study does not seem to influence its results.

Dr Klümper and Dr Qaim conclude by expressing a hope that their work “may help to gradually increase public trust in this promising technology”. To judge by the heat generated in Oregon and Colorado, that may take time.

The Economist, Nov 8th 2014

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Ne pozabit! Party
http://new.livestream.com/esa/cometlanding

Preprosto neverjetno. Ob takih trenutkih mi je kar toplo pri srcu, da sem del človeške rase. Heart
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Baje se je Philae ene 3x odbila od kometa. Ampak na koncu je pristala v eni luknji in začela z eksperimenti. Prav Armageddon movie come true...no...deloma Smile
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A ni ta možakar eden izmed znanstvenikov, ki je ob pristanku sonde na kometu nosil srajco, ki se je nekomu zdela žaljiva za ženske in je zato napisal  blog o tem in nastal je cel  debakel?

Sploh ne razumem v kakšnem svetu živimo, da je iz take nepomebnosti lahko prišlo do te debate. Ermm
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Mogoče pa vse skupaj opozarja na to da bi morali najprej pri sebi razčistit preden letamo okoli po vesolju
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Ne se sekirat, se iz tega feminističnega debakla zasluženo že cel internet norčuje.
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Sej ne da mu je to srajco nardila prjatlca. :) Prav žalostno je s čim se folk ukvarja ob takih prelomnih dogodkih.
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Originally posted by Gorjanec Gorjanec wrote:

Ne se sekirat, se iz tega feminističnega debakla zasluženo že cel internet norčuje.

Zaenkrat je sicer to njihovo bolano jamranje še kar efektivno. Ta model se je že moral opravičit. Ampak mase na netu so bile pa res kar hude na te norice in njihove bele viteze.:)

Ga je blo res grozno gledat potem, ko se je moral opravičit in je jebeno JOKAT začel.:S Zaradi ene bedaste majice!

No ja, vsaj ima res nek konkretn support vseeno, bo dobil takoj eno lepo uro vsaj.:)
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Zadnje čase se precej govori o tem...



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