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A se "vzpenja" sploh kej ta zadeva? Meni se zdi bolj mrtvo vse skupi ...
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kaj, a je kej narobe s tem NES thrashom? :D |
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A bo kej ?
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Whatever ...
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A to je una švabska kmetalka? Zakaj pa se v tej niti sprašuješ o tem?
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Ventor
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Doro keje s tabo?
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Seveda. Še posebej so super vprašanja, ki povedo več kot odgovor.
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Ventor
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Can't a man ask a simple question?
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A si si napolnil baterije samozavesti in si se odločil, da greš mal jebat?
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Ventor
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Bo kej al ne bo nec?:)
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Prophet
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A me je kdo klical? :P
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Božo IV
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No vidiš, sam poklicat ga je treba pa takoj pride...
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Ne, nisem neumna. Šla sem z drugim.
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Božo IV
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Škoda...
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Mizzi, a še čakaš? :)
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Božo IV
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Pizda Micka kako prefinjeno si žleht...
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Bom počakal.
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Prophet
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Res sem se nerodno izrazil - zdej pač nisem popolnoma koncentriran, ker še nekaj delam zraven. Probi zaenkrat to razumet, jaz pa obljubim, da bom preformuliral, ko bom imel čas.
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Dej še enkrat formuliraj. Malce bolj jasno.
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Prophet
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Mici: Zelo dobro vprašanje!
Menim, da do neke mere imajo svoj vlogo, ampak izven komada - nekaj pač izražajo - na kak način to izražajo in kaj dajejo v ospredje pa je odvisno od konteksta oziroma komada - kam pač ta del strukturno uvrstiš. Seveda je daleč od tega, da jaz uvrščam (ali pa verjetno velika večina ljudi) dele komadov na popolnoma zavestni ravni, saj so stvari, ki jih posamezni dele izražajo najbolj občutni na nezavedni ravni. Sploj je pa občutkov, ki jih izraža poseben del komada, riff, solo itd veliko - ne izraža le enega čustva. |
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Ali ima del v komadu vnaprej določeno vlogo, ali jo dobi ko je v strukturi?
Edited by mizzi - 10.Nov.2008 at 15:18 |
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Prophet
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Glede struktur (Beast in Mici):
Menim, da je tudi pomembno kako povezuješ dele komadov - intro, verse, prechorus, chorus, bridge, solo, outro itd... Je pa veliko resnice v tem kar je rekel Beast, da to bolj pride do izraza, če je zaigrano, čeprav sem še mnenja, da je struktura pri midijih bolj razvidna kot pa kakšne ostale stvari. Enako se tudi strinjam s tem, da detalji, ki so neopazni na prvo uho - to se mi zdi ena od največjih kvalitet glasbe - s tem glasba pridobi veliko na globini, ker z vsakim poslušanjem ugotoviš nekaj novega (oziroma vse bolj spoznavaš komad z vsakim poslušanjem). Seveda ni to le omejeno na glasbo - tudi pri besedilih je enako, je veliko skritih stvari - sploh pa v metal glasbi. |
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Prophet
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Mogoče sem se res bolj nerodno izrazil. Bi pa rad bil. Če sem ali pa nisem bojo pa drugi rekli ;) |
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He he :)
Božo lohk bi pa ti bubne špilu pr profetu? Mislm da bi se 100% ujela. |
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Božo IV
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...zdej k s ti pršu je pa ž kičast...
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Božo IV
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Niti mal...
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Ytsejam
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he he ena boljših debat zadnje čase :D
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Ventor
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Ne zamjrim ti
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Ventor, ne zameri mi, ampak bolj se mi zdi, da si ti tisti ki premalo razmišlja. Tvoja glava bi utegnila implodirati zaradi vakuuma, ki je očitno ujet v njej.
Sergej: ti je spet dolgčas, eh? Prophet: če mene vprašaš, je struktura celega komada "the big picture", riffi, soloti, terce, hooki, back vokali in podobne stvari pa stvari na sliki, del vsebine, prav tako kot besedila; nekatere od omenjenih zadev so celo detajli, ki jih nevajeno oko (uho) ne zazna takoj. Seveda je za umetnika pomembno, da vidi celo sliko, vendar hudič leži ravno v detajlih, ki jih mora biti prav tako zmožen ustvariti. V pravem bandu je to drugače, kot si opisal na primeru Death. Ravno zato je pomemben tisti "x factor", ki ga komad dobi pri aranžmaju, ki ga naredi cel band; zato mi ni jasno, zakaj je debata dolga že 4 strani. Midi je neoseben. Lahko sicer vidimo, da se neki dogaja, ampak to je le skica, ne pa končan izdelek. Za vse, ki bi radi jebali Propheta v glavo, obstaja nitka Prophet allmighty, pa tm sproščajte lastne frustracije. Edited by [Beast] - 10.Nov.2008 at 11:05 |
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Ventor
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Eh, dobru ce ste zi vsi tako napiceni, preklicujem prvo izjavo in jo nadomestim z drugu: "Zaenkrat ne bom vec pisu v to debato, ker se mi ne da vec brat profetovih "jaz sem bolj virtuoz na ravni struktur" postov" ... me spravlja u smjh :)
Prophet, ti prevec razmisljas, ti bo oprlo glavu :) |
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Božo IV
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Simpla, a ne...Mal aritmetike pa je kumad narjen...
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Božo IV
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A puol si virtuoz na ravni struktur?
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Struktura + riffi + soloti + kva še = komad?
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Imaš prav ja. Jaz sam sem pri strukturah bol bogi, zato to raje prepustim Atheistu.
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Prophet
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Menim, da te sposobnosti nimam - nisem pač virtouz na ravni riffa, sem bolj na ravni struktur (Zato tudi riffi niso v ospredju, ampak je struktura pr Ascension). Seveda sem si pa prav zaradi tega vedno želel nekoga v bendi, ki bi znal take riffe delat, ker se pač zavedam, da ne morem pokriti vseh aspekotv skladnje glasbe - sploh pa kar se tiče površinske sfere - torej inštrumenov. Sicer pa ni takega človeka, ki bi obvladal vsae inštrumente in znal dobro strukturirati in aranžirati glasbo. Tudi Chuck Schuldiner in Jeff Watters sta morala sloneti na drugih članih, da pridejo z idejami, ki so popolnile njihive vrzeli. |
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Brez veze je biti preveč kritičen do polizdelka. Raje daš kakšno smernico, izraziš mnenje; podrobno konstruktivno kritiko prihraniš za končni izdelek.
@Ventor: če neki rečeš, se tega drži, sicer izgubljaš integriteto in kredibilnost. |
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Profet naredi bolj razgibane riffe.
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Edited by Egzi - 09.Nov.2008 at 19:25 |
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Ne preklinjam več.
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Prophet
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Nisem nič reku proti okusu. Vsak ima svojega. Ciljal sem na kritičnost - tudi to, kdo je bolj ali manj kritičen je neka vrsta okusa. Definitivno bi mi pa ugajalo, če bi poslušalci moji glasbe bi zelo kritični. Enako velja za tiste, ki pišejo po tej debati - naj bojo čim bolj kritični - ne glede na to koliko jim je kaj všeč. |
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Božo IV
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Včasih ti je lahko kaka stvar všeč (ali pa ne) pa tega enostavno ne moreš argumentirat (the other side of music)...
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Odlično! Res nočem, da bi moja bla muzka všeč nekomu, ki ne zna tega argumentirat. :) |
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pa niti ne...se mi pa ne dopadejo osebe, ki govorijo eno, delajo pa čist neki tretje... |
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If the milk turns out to be sour, I ain't the kinda pussy to drink it.
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Ma mene mi noben od komadou ne dopade niti malo stvar okusa...
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Ne preklinjam več.
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Ku ti gre tebi vse v nosek a :)
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vedno, ko pišeš v to debato...pa si že reku da ne boš več pisu sm not...matr, ti pa si oseba, ki stoji za svojimi besedami...
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If the milk turns out to be sour, I ain't the kinda pussy to drink it.
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When?:) |
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Ja če bi Jarzombek bobnal bi bilo še veliko bolj tehnično ( neprebavljivo za bobnarje, ki so si postavili meje igranja in ne sežejo po čem bolj višjem in progresivnem)
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Zaenkrat ne...bojo pa enkrat ;)
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a vokalov pa še ne bo?
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taprav desc ma orodje pod streho
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