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Ozee
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Imaš prav ja. Jaz sam sem pri strukturah bol bogi, zato to raje prepustim Atheistu.
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Struktura + riffi + soloti + kva še = komad?
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Božo IV
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A puol si virtuoz na ravni struktur?
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Božo IV
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Simpla, a ne...Mal aritmetike pa je kumad narjen...
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Ventor
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Eh, dobru ce ste zi vsi tako napiceni, preklicujem prvo izjavo in jo nadomestim z drugu: "Zaenkrat ne bom vec pisu v to debato, ker se mi ne da vec brat profetovih "jaz sem bolj virtuoz na ravni struktur" postov" ... me spravlja u smjh :)
Prophet, ti prevec razmisljas, ti bo oprlo glavu :) |
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[Beast]
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Ventor, ne zameri mi, ampak bolj se mi zdi, da si ti tisti ki premalo razmišlja. Tvoja glava bi utegnila implodirati zaradi vakuuma, ki je očitno ujet v njej.
Sergej: ti je spet dolgčas, eh? Prophet: če mene vprašaš, je struktura celega komada "the big picture", riffi, soloti, terce, hooki, back vokali in podobne stvari pa stvari na sliki, del vsebine, prav tako kot besedila; nekatere od omenjenih zadev so celo detajli, ki jih nevajeno oko (uho) ne zazna takoj. Seveda je za umetnika pomembno, da vidi celo sliko, vendar hudič leži ravno v detajlih, ki jih mora biti prav tako zmožen ustvariti. V pravem bandu je to drugače, kot si opisal na primeru Death. Ravno zato je pomemben tisti "x factor", ki ga komad dobi pri aranžmaju, ki ga naredi cel band; zato mi ni jasno, zakaj je debata dolga že 4 strani. Midi je neoseben. Lahko sicer vidimo, da se neki dogaja, ampak to je le skica, ne pa končan izdelek. Za vse, ki bi radi jebali Propheta v glavo, obstaja nitka Prophet allmighty, pa tm sproščajte lastne frustracije. Edited by [Beast] - 10.Nov.2008 at 11:05 |
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Ventor
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Ne zamjrim ti
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Ytsejam
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he he ena boljših debat zadnje čase :D
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Božo IV
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Niti mal...
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Božo IV
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...zdej k s ti pršu je pa ž kičast...
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Ytsejam
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He he :)
Božo lohk bi pa ti bubne špilu pr profetu? Mislm da bi se 100% ujela. |
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Prophet
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Mogoče sem se res bolj nerodno izrazil. Bi pa rad bil. Če sem ali pa nisem bojo pa drugi rekli ;) |
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Prophet
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Glede struktur (Beast in Mici):
Menim, da je tudi pomembno kako povezuješ dele komadov - intro, verse, prechorus, chorus, bridge, solo, outro itd... Je pa veliko resnice v tem kar je rekel Beast, da to bolj pride do izraza, če je zaigrano, čeprav sem še mnenja, da je struktura pri midijih bolj razvidna kot pa kakšne ostale stvari. Enako se tudi strinjam s tem, da detalji, ki so neopazni na prvo uho - to se mi zdi ena od največjih kvalitet glasbe - s tem glasba pridobi veliko na globini, ker z vsakim poslušanjem ugotoviš nekaj novega (oziroma vse bolj spoznavaš komad z vsakim poslušanjem). Seveda ni to le omejeno na glasbo - tudi pri besedilih je enako, je veliko skritih stvari - sploh pa v metal glasbi. |
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Ali ima del v komadu vnaprej določeno vlogo, ali jo dobi ko je v strukturi?
Edited by mizzi - 10.Nov.2008 at 15:18 |
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Prophet
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Mici: Zelo dobro vprašanje!
Menim, da do neke mere imajo svoj vlogo, ampak izven komada - nekaj pač izražajo - na kak način to izražajo in kaj dajejo v ospredje pa je odvisno od konteksta oziroma komada - kam pač ta del strukturno uvrstiš. Seveda je daleč od tega, da jaz uvrščam (ali pa verjetno velika večina ljudi) dele komadov na popolnoma zavestni ravni, saj so stvari, ki jih posamezni dele izražajo najbolj občutni na nezavedni ravni. Sploj je pa občutkov, ki jih izraža poseben del komada, riff, solo itd veliko - ne izraža le enega čustva. |
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Dej še enkrat formuliraj. Malce bolj jasno.
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Prophet
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Res sem se nerodno izrazil - zdej pač nisem popolnoma koncentriran, ker še nekaj delam zraven. Probi zaenkrat to razumet, jaz pa obljubim, da bom preformuliral, ko bom imel čas.
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Bom počakal.
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Božo IV
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Pizda Micka kako prefinjeno si žleht...
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Mizzi, a še čakaš? :)
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Božo IV
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Škoda...
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Ne, nisem neumna. Šla sem z drugim.
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Božo IV
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No vidiš, sam poklicat ga je treba pa takoj pride...
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Prophet
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A me je kdo klical? :P
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Ventor
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Bo kej al ne bo nec?:)
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A si si napolnil baterije samozavesti in si se odločil, da greš mal jebat?
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Ventor
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Can't a man ask a simple question?
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Seveda. Še posebej so super vprašanja, ki povedo več kot odgovor.
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Ventor
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Doro keje s tabo?
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A to je una švabska kmetalka? Zakaj pa se v tej niti sprašuješ o tem?
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Ventor
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Whatever ...
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saiysoFLAMER
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A bo kej ?
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Person-man
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kaj, a je kej narobe s tem NES thrashom? :D |
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Ventor
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A se "vzpenja" sploh kej ta zadeva? Meni se zdi bolj mrtvo vse skupi ...
Edited by Ventor - 15.Oct.2010 at 17:23 |
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