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Imaš prav ja. Jaz sam sem pri strukturah bol bogi, zato to raje prepustim Atheistu.
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Struktura + riffi + soloti + kva še = komad? 
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Originally posted by Prophet Prophet wrote:

Originally posted by Ozee Ozee wrote:

Profet naredi bolj razgibane riffe.

Menim, da te sposobnosti nimam - nisem pač virtouz na ravni riffa, sem bolj na ravni struktur (Zato tudi riffi niso v ospredju, ampak je struktura pr Ascension). Seveda sem si pa prav zaradi tega vedno želel nekoga v bendi, ki bi znal take riffe delat, ker se pač zavedam, da ne morem pokriti vseh aspekotv skladnje glasbe - sploh pa kar se tiče površinske sfere - torej inštrumenov.
Sicer pa ni takega človeka, ki bi obvladal vsae inštrumente in znal dobro strukturirati in aranžirati glasbo. Tudi Chuck Schuldiner in Jeff Watters sta morala sloneti na drugih članih, da pridejo z idejami, ki so popolnile njihive vrzeli.
 
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Originally posted by mizzi mizzi wrote:

Struktura + riffi + soloti + kva še = komad? 
 
Simpla, a ne...Mal aritmetike pa je kumad narjen...Big%20smile


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Eh, dobru ce ste zi vsi tako napiceni, preklicujem prvo izjavo in jo nadomestim z drugu: "Zaenkrat ne bom vec pisu v to debato, ker se mi ne da vec brat profetovih "jaz sem bolj virtuoz na ravni struktur" postov" ... me spravlja u smjh :)

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Ventor, ne zameri mi, ampak bolj se mi zdi, da si ti tisti ki premalo razmišlja. Tvoja glava bi utegnila implodirati zaradi vakuuma, ki je očitno ujet v njej.

Sergej: ti je spet dolgčas, eh?

Prophet: če mene vprašaš, je struktura celega komada "the big picture", riffi, soloti, terce, hooki, back vokali in podobne stvari pa stvari na sliki, del vsebine, prav tako kot besedila; nekatere od omenjenih zadev so celo detajli, ki jih nevajeno oko (uho) ne zazna takoj. Seveda je za umetnika pomembno, da vidi celo sliko, vendar hudič leži ravno v detajlih, ki jih mora biti prav tako zmožen ustvariti. V pravem bandu je to drugače, kot si opisal  na primeru Death. Ravno zato je pomemben tisti "x factor", ki ga komad dobi pri aranžmaju, ki ga naredi cel band; zato mi ni jasno, zakaj je debata dolga že 4 strani. Midi je neoseben. Lahko sicer vidimo, da se neki dogaja, ampak to je le skica, ne pa končan izdelek. Za vse, ki bi radi jebali Propheta v glavo, obstaja nitka Prophet allmighty, pa tm sproščajte lastne frustracije.


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he he ena boljših debat zadnje čase :D
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Originally posted by [Beast [Beast wrote:

] Ventor, ne zameri mi, ampak bolj se mi zdi, da si ti tisti ki premalo razmišlja. Tvoja glava bi utegnila implodirati zaradi vakuuma, ki je očitno ujet v njej.

Sergej: ti je spet dolgčas, eh?

Prophet: če mene vprašaš, je struktura celega komada "the big picture", riffi, soloti, terce, hooki, back vokali in podobne stvari pa stvari na sliki, del vsebine, prav tako kot besedila; nekatere od omenjenih zadev so celo detajli, ki jih nevajeno oko (uho) ne zazna takoj. Seveda je za umetnika pomembno, da vidi celo sliko, vendar hudič leži ravno v detajlih, ki jih mora biti prav tako zmožen ustvariti. V pravem bandu je to drugače, kot si opisal  na primeru Death. Ravno zato je pomemben tisti "x factor", ki ga komad dobi pri aranžmaju, ki ga naredi cel band; zato mi ni jasno, zakaj je debata dolga že 4 strani. Midi je neoseben. Lahko sicer vidimo, da se neki dogaja, ampak to je le skica, ne pa končan izdelek. Za vse, ki bi radi jebali Propheta v glavo, obstaja nitka Prophet allmighty, pa tm sproščajte lastne frustracije.
 
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Originally posted by Ytsejam Ytsejam wrote:

he he ena boljših debat zadnje čase :D
 
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He he :)

Božo lohk bi pa ti bubne špilu pr profetu?

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Originally posted by Božo IV Božo IV wrote:

Originally posted by Prophet Prophet wrote:

Originally posted by Ozee Ozee wrote:

Profet naredi bolj razgibane riffe.

Menim, da te sposobnosti nimam - nisem pač virtouz na ravni riffa, sem bolj na ravni struktur (Zato tudi riffi niso v ospredju, ampak je struktura pr Ascension). Seveda sem si pa prav zaradi tega vedno želel nekoga v bendi, ki bi znal take riffe delat, ker se pač zavedam, da ne morem pokriti vseh aspekotv skladnje glasbe - sploh pa kar se tiče površinske sfere - torej inštrumenov.
Sicer pa ni takega človeka, ki bi obvladal vsae inštrumente in znal dobro strukturirati in aranžirati glasbo. Tudi Chuck Schuldiner in Jeff Watters sta morala sloneti na drugih članih, da pridejo z idejami, ki so popolnile njihive vrzeli.
 
A puol si virtuoz na ravni struktur? Big%20smile

Mogoče sem se res bolj nerodno izrazil. Bi pa rad bil. Če sem ali pa nisem bojo pa drugi rekli ;)
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Originally posted by [Beast [Beast wrote:

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Sergej: ti je spet dolgčas, eh?
Niti mal...Big%20smile
Upam, da tudi malo zaradi glasbe Ascension (ne glede na to ali ti ej všeč ali pa ne) ;)
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Glede struktur (Beast in Mici):
Menim, da je tudi pomembno kako povezuješ dele komadov - intro, verse, prechorus, chorus, bridge, solo, outro itd... Je pa veliko resnice v tem kar je rekel Beast, da to bolj pride do izraza, če je zaigrano, čeprav sem še mnenja, da je struktura pri midijih bolj razvidna kot pa kakšne ostale stvari. Enako se tudi strinjam s tem, da detalji, ki so neopazni na prvo uho - to se mi zdi ena od največjih kvalitet glasbe -  s tem glasba pridobi veliko na globini, ker z vsakim poslušanjem ugotoviš nekaj novega (oziroma vse bolj spoznavaš komad z vsakim poslušanjem). Seveda ni to le omejeno na glasbo - tudi pri besedilih je enako, je veliko skritih stvari - sploh pa v metal glasbi.
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Ali ima del v komadu vnaprej določeno vlogo, ali jo dobi ko je v strukturi?


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Mici: Zelo dobro vprašanje!

Menim, da do neke mere imajo svoj vlogo, ampak izven komada - nekaj pač izražajo - na kak način to izražajo in kaj dajejo v ospredje pa je odvisno od konteksta oziroma komada - kam pač ta del strukturno uvrstiš.

Seveda je daleč od tega, da jaz uvrščam (ali pa verjetno velika večina ljudi) dele komadov na popolnoma zavestni ravni, saj so stvari, ki jih posamezni dele izražajo najbolj občutni na nezavedni ravni. Sploj je pa občutkov, ki jih izraža poseben del komada, riff, solo itd veliko - ne izraža le enega čustva.
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Dej še enkrat formuliraj. Malce bolj jasno.

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Res sem se nerodno izrazil - zdej pač nisem popolnoma koncentriran, ker še nekaj delam zraven. Probi zaenkrat to razumet, jaz pa obljubim, da bom preformuliral, ko bom imel čas.
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Bom počakal.
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Pizda Micka kako prefinjeno si žleht...Big%20smileLOL


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Originally posted by mizzi mizzi wrote:

Bom počakal.
 
Mizzi, a še čakaš? :)
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Originally posted by Tonckow Tonckow wrote:

Originally posted by mizzi mizzi wrote:

Bom počakal.
 
Mizzi, a še čakaš? :)
 
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Ne, nisem neumna. Šla sem z drugim.
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No vidiš, sam poklicat ga je treba pa takoj pride...Big%20smile


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A me je kdo klical? :P
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Bo kej al ne bo nec?:)

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A si si napolnil baterije samozavesti in si se odločil, da greš mal jebat?
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Can't a man ask a simple question?

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Seveda. Še posebej so super vprašanja, ki povedo več kot odgovor.
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Doro keje s tabo?

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A to je una švabska kmetalka? Zakaj pa se v tej niti sprašuješ o tem?
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Whatever ...

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A bo kej  ?
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Originally posted by saiysoFLAMER saiysoFLAMER wrote:

A bo kej  ?


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A se "vzpenja" sploh kej ta zadeva? Meni se zdi bolj mrtvo vse skupi ...

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