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   <title><![CDATA[Underground vs. Comercial ... metal : Ce bend izstopa v undergroundu,...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://forum.paranoid-zine.com/member_profile.asp?PF=217">Ventor</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 783<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07.Jun.2008 at 17:43<br /><br />Ce bend izstopa v undergroundu, se posledicno razvije v komercialen bend. To je moj vidik stvari ... Ceprav me boli kurac, THRASH and DEATH!<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://forum.paranoid-zine.com/member_profile.asp?PF=131">saiysoFLAMER</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 783<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03.Jun.2008 at 01:54<br /><br />čas nas j<img src="https://forum.paranoid-zine.com/smileys/smiley19.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Cry" />zaf...&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://forum.paranoid-zine.com/member_profile.asp?PF=200">Prophet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 783<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02.Jun.2008 at 22:53<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by saiysoFLAMER" alt="Originally posted by saiysoFLAMER" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>saiysoFLAMER wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Prophet" alt="Originally posted by Prophet" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Prophet wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Atuin" alt="Originally posted by Atuin" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Atuin wrote:</strong><br /><br />200 let za cajtom?&nbsp; Cloveku pac ni do tega, da bi ziveu med ovcami in se je rajs umaknu...ampak to je druga zgodba.<br><br>je pa po moje poanta glih v tem, da 80 do 90% skupin, ko dosezejo neko visjo stopnjo poslusanosti spremenijo svoj zvok (<b>CoB</b>, <b>Dimmu Borgir</b> itd...), zacnejo tlact cist irelevantne stvari v svoje spote (<b>Deicide</b>, <b>In Flames</b> - kaj kaj hudica majo chopperji veze v tistih spotih?? itd... ), postanejo nadvse vzviseni (<b>Immortal</b>na MCju lani - po naklucju sm se znasu za odrom ravno, ko so dolodhajal. Cez tunel policije in varnostnikov se jih sploh vidl ni)...<br><br>Pomojem mnenju je band, ki vstraja pri svojem skoz celotno zgodovinoobstoja naredu najvec. Komercialn, nekomercialn, UG al pa ne...to miniti ni pomembno. Odos clanov do publike pa po moje pokaze kam pes tacomoli (Koncert Skyforger v Mariboru - Kitarist se je usedu k nama skolegom in smo saj 3 ure gopcal, k bi se poznal ze 10 let). My pointbeing, da naj bi ns metal zdruzevou in to, da si prodav miljarde platal pa 3 ne spremeni nic. Vazno je kaj je cilj ustvarjanja - prodati alizadovoljiti...<br></td></tr></table><br><br>Bende so že v izhodišču bili prodane duše, njihov zvok pa se je spremenil zaradi trenda, enako je s spoti.<br></td></tr></table><br>Žal je to res, je pa vprašanje kvalitete, ali bi bila večja brez vpliva založb ali ne; najbolj pa me zanima ali bi se tile bandi takšnega kova vrnili nazaj h koreninam če bi imeli priložnost ? Še en + za comercial ... ups pardon (blizu ne-underground)<br></td></tr></table><br><br>Kvaliteta je kot prvo najbolj odvisna od potenciala benda. Tudi če bi recimo založba imela le pozitiven vpliv iz benda s slabim potencialom ne bi mogla ustvariti dobrega benda. Je pa naloga vsakega producenta oziroma produkcije, da izkoristi čim več bendovega potenciala. Če ima bend premajhen potencial ga ponavadi izkoristijo (bend) tako, da ga njegovo zvrst obračajo proti povpraševanju na trgu (čeprav se to le v redkih primerih izkaže za uspešno). Rezultat je povprečen izdelek, ki pa ne bo vrhunski, saj bo le ponavljal za trendom, ki so ga ustvarili drugi bendi.<br><br>Spet je vprašanje kaj je motiv(i) benda, da se začne ukvarjati in ustvarjati glasbo. Normalno je, da se vsakem bendu to spremeni s časom. Spet je lahko sprememba negativna.<br><br>Mislim, da zgoraj našteti bendi ne morejo biti večji v smislu underfounda ali pa komercialnosti. K svojim koreninam bodo šli, le če jim bo to tudi denarno ugodno (tudi zaradi pritiska založb). Vračanje koreninam je pa spet dvorezen meč. Recimo nekaterim koreninam se bendi nikoli ne morejo vrniti - naprimer thrash bend, ki je bil uspešen v 80' nikoli ne more take plate naediti danes, ker enostavno niso več 80', torej drugačne so razmere in tudi oni malo drugače mislijo.<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://forum.paranoid-zine.com/member_profile.asp?PF=131">saiysoFLAMER</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 783<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02.Jun.2008 at 22:08<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Prophet" alt="Originally posted by Prophet" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Prophet wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Atuin" alt="Originally posted by Atuin" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Atuin wrote:</strong><br /><br />200 let za cajtom?&nbsp; Cloveku pac ni do tega, da bi ziveu med ovcami in se je rajs umaknu...ampak to je druga zgodba.<br><br>je pa po moje poanta glih v tem, da 80 do 90% skupin, ko dosezejo neko visjo stopnjo poslusanosti spremenijo svoj zvok (<b>CoB</b>, <b>Dimmu Borgir</b> itd...), zacnejo tlact cist irelevantne stvari v svoje spote (<b>Deicide</b>, <b>In Flames</b> - kaj kaj hudica majo chopperji veze v tistih spotih?? itd... ), postanejo nadvse vzviseni (<b>Immortal</b>na MCju lani - po naklucju sm se znasu za odrom ravno, ko so dolodhajal. Cez tunel policije in varnostnikov se jih sploh vidl ni)...<br><br>Pomojem mnenju je band, ki vstraja pri svojem skoz celotno zgodovinoobstoja naredu najvec. Komercialn, nekomercialn, UG al pa ne...to miniti ni pomembno. Odos clanov do publike pa po moje pokaze kam pes tacomoli (Koncert Skyforger v Mariboru - Kitarist se je usedu k nama skolegom in smo saj 3 ure gopcal, k bi se poznal ze 10 let). My pointbeing, da naj bi ns metal zdruzevou in to, da si prodav miljarde platal pa 3 ne spremeni nic. Vazno je kaj je cilj ustvarjanja - prodati alizadovoljiti...<br></td></tr></table><br><br>Bende so že v izhodišču bili prodane duše, njihov zvok pa se je spremenil zaradi trenda, enako je s spoti.<br></td></tr></table><br>Žal je to res, je pa vprašanje kvalitete, ali bi bila večja brez vpliva založb ali ne; najbolj pa me zanima ali bi se tile bandi takšnega kova vrnili nazaj h koreninam če bi imeli priložnost ? Še en + za comercial ... ups pardon (blizu ne-underground)<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Prophet" alt="Originally posted by Prophet" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Prophet wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by saiysoFLAMER" alt="Originally posted by saiysoFLAMER" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>saiysoFLAMER wrote:</strong><br /><br />in flames najbolj gledan band na Nuclear blast presegli so dimmmu in nightwish</td></tr></table><br><br>tudi cirkus gre gledat precej ljudi. <br></td></tr></table><br>Sm te vidu na unem vrtiljaku učeri, dans je popust btw.<br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by saiysoFLAMER - 02.Jun.2008 at 22:13</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://forum.paranoid-zine.com/member_profile.asp?PF=364">Katana</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 783<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01.Jun.2008 at 21:00<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Prophet" alt="Originally posted by Prophet" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Prophet wrote:</strong><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by saiysoFLAMER" alt="Originally posted by saiysoFLAMER" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>saiysoFLAMER wrote:</strong><br /><br />in flames najbolj gledan band na Nuclear blast presegli so dimmmu in nightwish</td></tr></table><br><br>tudi cirkus gre gledat precej ljudi. <br></td></tr></table><br>bang! <img src="https://forum.paranoid-zine.com/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><br>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Underground vs. Comercial ... metal : Jah no, Rebelde tudi. Samo v sloveniji...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://forum.paranoid-zine.com/member_profile.asp?PF=58">devlin</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 783<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01.Jun.2008 at 20:30<br /><br />Jah no, Rebelde tudi. Samo v sloveniji dvakrat v Tivoli - prvič razprodan v dveh dneh. Samo In flames še vseeno niso tako čip trik, pa btw Moira Orfei&nbsp;mi je bil všeč(razen klovnov ki so itak glupi).<DIV>Ne primerjaj stvari ki ne gredo skupaj.</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://forum.paranoid-zine.com/member_profile.asp?PF=200">Prophet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 783<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01.Jun.2008 at 19:47<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by saiysoFLAMER" alt="Originally posted by saiysoFLAMER" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>saiysoFLAMER wrote:</strong><br /><br />in flames najbolj gledan band na Nuclear blast presegli so dimmmu in nightwish</td></tr></table><br><br>tudi cirkus gre gledat precej ljudi. <br>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Underground vs. Comercial ... metal :    Atuin wrote:200 let za cajtom?...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://forum.paranoid-zine.com/member_profile.asp?PF=200">Prophet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 783<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01.Jun.2008 at 19:45<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Atuin" alt="Originally posted by Atuin" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Atuin wrote:</strong><br /><br />200 let za cajtom?&nbsp; Cloveku pac ni do tega, da bi ziveu med ovcami in se je rajs umaknu...ampak to je druga zgodba.<br><br>je pa po moje poanta glih v tem, da 80 do 90% skupin, ko dosezejo neko visjo stopnjo poslusanosti spremenijo svoj zvok (<b>CoB</b>, <b>Dimmu Borgir</b> itd...), zacnejo tlact cist irelevantne stvari v svoje spote (<b>Deicide</b>, <b>In Flames</b> - kaj kaj hudica majo chopperji veze v tistih spotih?? itd... ), postanejo nadvse vzviseni (<b>Immortal</b> na MCju lani - po naklucju sm se znasu za odrom ravno, ko so dol odhajal. Cez tunel policije in varnostnikov se jih sploh vidl ni)...<br><br>Po mojem mnenju je band, ki vstraja pri svojem skoz celotno zgodovino obstoja naredu najvec. Komercialn, nekomercialn, UG al pa ne...to mi niti ni pomembno. Odos clanov do publike pa po moje pokaze kam pes taco moli (Koncert Skyforger v Mariboru - Kitarist se je usedu k nama s kolegom in smo saj 3 ure gopcal, k bi se poznal ze 10 let). My point being, da naj bi ns metal zdruzevou in to, da si prodav miljarde plat al pa 3 ne spremeni nic. Vazno je kaj je cilj ustvarjanja - prodati ali zadovoljiti...<br></td></tr></table><br><br>Bende so že v izhodišču bili prodane duše, njihov zvok pa se je spremenil zaradi trenda, enako je s spoti.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://forum.paranoid-zine.com/member_profile.asp?PF=200">Prophet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 783<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01.Jun.2008 at 19:43<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by bostjan_death" alt="Originally posted by bostjan_death" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>bostjan_death wrote:</strong><br /><br />Hmm, Gorgoroth mi dejujejo underground, glede zvoka, čeprav so postal bolj znani s koncertom&nbsp; na Poljskem<img src="https://forum.paranoid-zine.com/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="middle" alt="Big%20smile" /><br><br>Black metal bi moral bit še underground, da bi lahk več cd-jev prodal<img src="https://forum.paranoid-zine.com/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="middle" alt="Big%20smile" /><br>Problemi so bli z&nbsp; MARDUK- FUCK ME JESUS<br>DARK FUNERAL. TEACH CHILDREN TO WORSHIP SATAN<br><br></td></tr></table><br><br>zvok je odvisen od trenda, ne obstaja "underground" zvok.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://forum.paranoid-zine.com/member_profile.asp?PF=30">Godpuppy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 783<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01.Jun.2008 at 19:27<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Wulf" alt="Originally posted by Wulf" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Wulf wrote:</strong><br /><br />tarja vas vse analno&nbsp;<img src="https://forum.paranoid-zine.com/smileys/smiley30.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Pig" /></td></tr></table><br><br>Tebe je pa Čadež pred kratkim <img src="https://forum.paranoid-zine.com/smileys/smiley15.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Evil%20Smile" /><br>]]>
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