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jsm load kupla na majorci v neki ogromni glasbeni trgovini leta 1996, ker mi je bil vsec kover (pol sm sele ugotovila, da gre za kri in spermo; kjutt ^^).. ker sploh se nisem poslusala metala takrat (prej kake kyuss, primus, voivod pa kup ene alter rock muske), tud nisem se preposlusala prvih plat, zato se najbrz nism obremenjevala s tem, kako bi morala zvenet.. ker se je 'mama said' vrtel povsod, je bil ta komad v mojem plejerju do nedavnega obsojen na skip.. moj top je pa ze od vsega zacetka tazadn stiklc, 'the outlaw torn'.. <3

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Originally posted by grafin grafin wrote:

ker se je 'mama said' vrtel povsod, je bil ta komad v mojem plejerju do nedavnega obsojen na skip..


zanimivo. zame je pa ravno ta komad predstavljal alfa in omega celega albuma - vsaj na začetku. kasneje se mi je pa odprl še preostali album, vendar nikoli povsem v celoti. oziroma še danes ne uživam prav v vseh komadih tega albuma, še vedno najdem kakšnega, ki ne ravno navdušuje.
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pri poslusanju glasbe je vedno tko, da vsak poslusalec s svojim lastnim imprintom dograjuje glasbo in je sestavni del izkusnje in ovrednotenja slisanega.. podobno je pri knjigi, filmu, sliki.. zato je imho tud precejsnja izguba energije se kregat okol tega.. je pa zanimivo izmenjavat mnenja.. vcasih se clo znajdes na istem bregu, kar je lahko prou navdihujoce.. nemalokrat izkusnja drugega obogati tvojo lastno..
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Originally posted by Mrtupevc Mrtupevc wrote:

No, jaz moram tudi nekaj povedati... Nisem neki die-hard fan country muzike, čeravno sem kot mali mulo dostikrat po radiu slišal ex-yu bando "Plava trava zaborava" (mislm, da je mel celo moj stari kaseto). Pa bila je še neka otroška nadaljevanka Zlata ribica, kjer je bila istoimenska uvodna špica od Pohorja Express, to je pa tudi vse od kantrija... Do Load-a.


Pozabil si na country komade od Čukov, Rednex in Billyja Raya Cyrusa, ki so se v prvi polovici devetdesetih do onemoglosti drajsali po radiu. Ja sj vem, spomin je selektiven...

Oftopik. Debata od Metallice naprej... Na obdobje Load mam lepe spomine. Poletje, matura, začetek študija, selitev od doma... Load je mel svoje trenutke, čeprov niti ni imel preveč veze s prejšnjimi platami od Metallice. A kaj mi je blo pri Loadu najbl všeč? Un shuriken logo, ki so ga začel takrat uporabljat:



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Originally posted by grafin grafin wrote:

moj top je pa ze od vsega zacetka tazadn stiklc, 'the outlaw torn'.. <3


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Pozabil si na country komade od Čukov, Rednex in Billyja Raya Cyrusa, ki so se v prvi polovici devetdesetih do onemoglosti drajsali po radiu. Ja sj vem, spomin je selektiven...



Heh, narobe si zastopil. Ti, ki jih ti omenjaš, so se lajnali po radijih, ja, ampak takrat (90-91 in dalje, ko je vladala dekada yellowcab-a), sem ta medij ignoriral, kolikor se je le dalo.  Zato sem pa omenil samo tiste, ki so meni bili blizu (iz 80-ih mi je itak ogromno muzike ostalo v ušesih do danes).
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Ta debata menda nikoli ne bo povsem izginila - Metallica in njihov "Black" album:

Why Is Metallica's "Black Album" The Best Selling Metal Album Of All Time?
Is It Because It's Simply One Of The Greatest Commercial Metal Albums Of All Time?
People often answer the question of why this album is so successful with - "oh, it's because they sold out!".
Sure - the album is "Commercial Metal" - and yeah - you could argue that they "sold out".
But are they the ONLY band who has ever played commercial sounding Metal?
People talk like it's EASY to make an album this successful.
Literally THOUSANDS of bands tried to do this.
If it were that easy - why didn't other bands do it?
Remember the fact that "Commercial Metal" was EXTREMELY common in the late 80s and early 90s. Glam Metal was riding high and the more "commercial" sides of Metal were pretty mainstream.
Still - absolutely nothing - NOTHING - could compete with the sheer level of sales of this album.
A couple things to ask -
If this album were the band's debut - would it be as hated by Metal fans?
If this album was by an already "Commercial" Metal band - would it be viewed differently?
I mean think about it - compare it to "Commercial Metal" of the time, it's actually strikingly HEAVY.
If you come at this album from the Glam angle and ponder a Glam Metal band making this album - you begin to realize the secret of this album's success.
The problem with Glam is that by 1991 - it was already becoming a bit uncool.
There is something about the style of the Black Album that aged well during the Grunge era.
Remember that the bulk of this albums sales and momentum occurred during 1992-1994. This was when the Grunge movement was dominating - and Glam Metal was sinking fast.
Metallica brought a flavour of commercial Metal that - to the masses - seemed to have real attitude, a hint of darkness - that wasn't connected to the perceived "cheese" and excess glamour of the Glam scene of the day.
Grunge made it cool to be a little darker and more sullen - and the Black Album kind of fits in with that.
I mean despite those songs being SUPER CATCHY - they're not exactly jolly and upbeat are they?
They capture a flavour of the darkness and heaviness that Metal fans love - albeit in a form that very casual Rock listeners could also find palatable too. It found an audience with people who didn't typically like Metal! And there's nothing that Metal fans hate more than that!
Despite saying all that - If I were to rank Metallica's albums - I easily rank the Black Album below the first four, but in a way - I almost see it as a different band.
I got into Metallica with this album and therefore didn't have any of the inbuilt resentment toward them for it, my first taste of this album wasn't tinged with the "betrayal" that I hear a lot of Metalheads talk about.
I fell in love with it - and that first impression never faded despite falling in even stronger love with the 80s records.
I don't typically enjoy "Commercial Metal" as much as the type of Metal in Metallica's 80s records - the 80s records feel a bit richer, more complex, and have more dynamics and replayability to me.
But when I want that instant HIT of Commercial Metal - I don't think ANY album in the history of Metal scratches that itch better than this album.
In a way - this album seems like a victim of 2 things -
1 - Being overplayed
2 - Being compared to the prior albums,
It suffers a lot of mockery and flack from Metal fans - and I think it's unjustified.
My favourite album by Metallica is "Justice" so of course I wonder and wish they followed it up with another album along those lines, but other bands fulfil that wish - when I want some technical and progressive Thrash - I just go else where.
Instead of looking at the glass half empty, I see it half full - and judge the Black Album on it's own terms.
In my opinion - the Black Album is the best selling Metal album of all time because it's the greatest "Commercial Metal" album of all time!
In the realm of Thrash - sure, it sinks.
But in the realm of Commercial Metal?
Wow - this album reigns supreme!
What are your thoughts?
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Odgovor je lahko tudi precej preprost (brez poglobljenih debat)... v pravem času so izdali pravi album Big smile
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Originally posted by Stratego Stratego wrote:

Odgovor je lahko tudi precej preprost (brez poglobljenih debat)... v pravem času so izdali pravi album Big smile


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Originally posted by Dejan Dejan wrote:

Ta debata menda nikoli ne bo povsem izginila - Metallica in njihov "Black" album:

Why Is Metallica's "Black Album" The Best Selling Metal Album Of All Time?
Is It Because It's Simply One Of The Greatest Commercial Metal Albums Of All Time?
People often answer the question of why this album is so successful with - "oh, it's because they sold out!".
Sure - the album is "Commercial Metal" - and yeah - you could argue that they "sold out".
But are they the ONLY band who has ever played commercial sounding Metal?
People talk like it's EASY to make an album this successful.
Literally THOUSANDS of bands tried to do this.
If it were that easy - why didn't other bands do it?
Remember the fact that "Commercial Metal" was EXTREMELY common in the late 80s and early 90s. Glam Metal was riding high and the more "commercial" sides of Metal were pretty mainstream.
Still - absolutely nothing - NOTHING - could compete with the sheer level of sales of this album.
A couple things to ask -
If this album were the band's debut - would it be as hated by Metal fans?
If this album was by an already "Commercial" Metal band - would it be viewed differently?
I mean think about it - compare it to "Commercial Metal" of the time, it's actually strikingly HEAVY.
If you come at this album from the Glam angle and ponder a Glam Metal band making this album - you begin to realize the secret of this album's success.
The problem with Glam is that by 1991 - it was already becoming a bit uncool.
There is something about the style of the Black Album that aged well during the Grunge era.
Remember that the bulk of this albums sales and momentum occurred during 1992-1994. This was when the Grunge movement was dominating - and Glam Metal was sinking fast.
Metallica brought a flavour of commercial Metal that - to the masses - seemed to have real attitude, a hint of darkness - that wasn't connected to the perceived "cheese" and excess glamour of the Glam scene of the day.
Grunge made it cool to be a little darker and more sullen - and the Black Album kind of fits in with that.
I mean despite those songs being SUPER CATCHY - they're not exactly jolly and upbeat are they?
They capture a flavour of the darkness and heaviness that Metal fans love - albeit in a form that very casual Rock listeners could also find palatable too. It found an audience with people who didn't typically like Metal! And there's nothing that Metal fans hate more than that!
Despite saying all that - If I were to rank Metallica's albums - I easily rank the Black Album below the first four, but in a way - I almost see it as a different band.
I got into Metallica with this album and therefore didn't have any of the inbuilt resentment toward them for it, my first taste of this album wasn't tinged with the "betrayal" that I hear a lot of Metalheads talk about.
I fell in love with it - and that first impression never faded despite falling in even stronger love with the 80s records.
I don't typically enjoy "Commercial Metal" as much as the type of Metal in Metallica's 80s records - the 80s records feel a bit richer, more complex, and have more dynamics and replayability to me.
But when I want that instant HIT of Commercial Metal - I don't think ANY album in the history of Metal scratches that itch better than this album.
In a way - this album seems like a victim of 2 things -
1 - Being overplayed
2 - Being compared to the prior albums,
It suffers a lot of mockery and flack from Metal fans - and I think it's unjustified.
My favourite album by Metallica is "Justice" so of course I wonder and wish they followed it up with another album along those lines, but other bands fulfil that wish - when I want some technical and progressive Thrash - I just go else where.
Instead of looking at the glass half empty, I see it half full - and judge the Black Album on it's own terms.
In my opinion - the Black Album is the best selling Metal album of all time because it's the greatest "Commercial Metal" album of all time!
In the realm of Thrash - sure, it sinks.
But in the realm of Commercial Metal?
Wow - this album reigns supreme!
What are your thoughts?


Razen da ne vem kaj naj bi bil ta "Commercial Metal" (mogoče misli v smislu da so to bendi ki imajo album ki preseže neko določeno visoko št. prodanih izvodov?), je kar dobro opisan (kdo je spisal to?) ta self titled album, ki je totalno kraljeval prvo polovico 90ih. Grunge je Grunge, Glam je Glam, black album je pa vsekakor (še vedno) Metal album. Seveda se strinjam da je slabši od 80s albumov, je pa najpomembnejši kar se tiče preboja v mainstream in v milijone ušes ki so prvič slišala metalsko muziko ravno preko tega albuma. Si mislim da če bi bil že v 80ih fan Metallice, da bi bil razočaran ob izidu, ker sm pa lih dobrih 30 let nazaj začel posliušat Metal, imam krasne spomine na to. Spomenm se da je v 90ih ful folka v OŠ poslušalo to kaseto - ne samo tistih ki so sicer poslušali Metal, spomnem se sošolca ki je kupu ta CD v lokalni blagovnici, spomnem se kako sm js še prej kupu (presneto) kaseto od nekoga itd. Dobro zveni (produkcija) + to kar je napisal Preško + ?, skratka: album ki je na široko odprl vrata v Metal, če potem zabredeš v globine al samo pokukaš noter je pa odvisno od posameznika.
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Minuli konec tedna nas je Metallica razvajala dva dni v Münchnu. In sicer tako:

Prvi dan:
Whiplash
For Whom the Bell Tolls
Of Wolf and Man
The Memory Remains
Lux Æterna
Too Far Gone?
Hofbräuhaus Funk Jam
Fade to Black
Shadows Follow
Orion
Nothing Else Matters
Sad but True
The Day That Never Comes
Hardwired
Fuel
Seek & Destroy
Master of Puppets

drugi dan:
Creeping Death
Harvester of Sorrow
Hit the Lights
Ride the Lightning
72 Seasons
If Darkness Had a Son
Rosamunde
Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
Inamorata
The Call of Ktulu
No Leaf Clover
Wherever I May Roam
Moth Into Flame
Fight Fire With Fire
Breadfan
One
Enter Sandman

Prvi dan mi je bil dosti boljši kot drugi, ker je bilo vse sveže in je band znal presenetiti. Poleg tega se mi je drugi dan zdelo zelo ponesrečeno zaporedje komadov od 72 Seasons do No Leaf Clover - ta kombinacija komadov, četudi je vmes nekaj takih, ki so mi res dobri, je v mojih ušesih vzela koncertu energijo, zaradi česar do konca nisem več uspel povsem "not pasti".

in še: zakaj hudiča Hammett in Trujillo morita s tem jammanjem? Ko sem pred leti prvič videl, je še bilo pogojno zanimivo, zdaj pa že delujeta kot dva pajaca...
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Ker se morata Lars in James spočit :D 
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da Lars in James pri 60ih tako švasata, si zaslužita malo počitka Thumbs Up jaz sem 15 let mlajši, pa bi jima najbrž težko sledil...

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Dejan, men je bil pa drugi dan boljši. Mogoče zato, ker nisem bil pol koncerta na dežju :) 
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Originally posted by Pero Pero wrote:

Ker se morata Lars in James spočit :D 

Pa naj si zmislijo nekaj drugega ali vsaj nekaj novega...


Originally posted by Pero Pero wrote:

Dejan, men je bil pa drugi dan boljši. Mogoče zato, ker nisem bil pol koncerta na dežju :) 


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Bil sem v Milanu. Metallica je v bistvu samo še Jaymz. Vokal je seveda kakšno oktavo nižji ampak power še vedno ima in svoje kitarske dele odigra v nulo. Rob svoje odšpila, ampak to je tudi to. Pol pa... Kirk fuša, pa zamuja, pa se mal smehlja, pa te njegove impro solaže na ta zadnjih platah... Da o Larzu ne bi. Tip se je v par komadih resno mal ustavu, ko je vidu, da je zajebal, pa pol spet ritem ujel. Noro, kaj si privošči pred 70.000 oboževalci... Ampak, Metallica je pač bend, kateremu se (iz meni neznanega razloga) vse oprosti. Zvok je bil super, šov tudi, zimzeleni komadi, in pol nekako zvozijo. 
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Mnja, res je, in še sreča za Hetfieldov vokal še funkcionira, ker sicer bi bila vsaj zame to največja katastrofa... Dvomim, da se bodo Metallica sami od sebe ustavili, a leta so tu - njihova in moja - zato verjetno dosti njihovih koncertov ne bom več videl v živo.
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Na eno stvar sem se spomnil, ko sem odgovarjal na en drug post... tale koncert v Münchnu je bil menda največji, kar sem jih kdaj koli obiskal - časopisi so pisali o 70k ljudi. sedež sem imel v 15. vrtsi, kar je dokaj blizu, pa sem se še vedno med koncertom ujel pri tem, da sem sledil dogajanju na odru preko zaslonov, ker ... Metallica je bila še vedno hudičevo daleč stran. moj pojnt... a to samo mene moti. sem med redkimi, ki bolj cenijo intimo klubske dvorane, kjer držiš glasbenika za jaja? saj vem, da Metallica so pač veliki in da manjše ne gre. v golden/snake pit nočem, ker pač nočem stati - priznam. zato pri teh velikih bandih to pač vzamem v zakup, da drugače ne gre, medtem ko pa male bande raje gledam na malih odrih kot pa na odrih (velikih) poletnih festivalov, kjer je tudi najbližji obiskovalec več metrov stran od odra.
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Originally posted by Dejan Dejan wrote:

moj pojnt... a to samo mene moti. sem med redkimi, ki bolj cenijo intimo klubske dvorane, kjer držiš glasbenika za jaja?

razen kakega metalcampa/daysa nisem bil na koncertu za več kot 2000-3000 ljudi že od leta 2000 al 2001. ni problem samo, da je band daleč in ga posledično ne vidim, ampak trpi tudi akustika in sploh na odprtem ne obstajajo na svetu pogoji (sploh pri hitrejši distorzirani glasbi),da bi se dobro slišalo. 
najhujše ko so kaki momenti v stilu "kje so roke" in folk ploska v ritmu s tem problemom, da zvok potuje počasneje od svetlobe in bolj ko si zadaj bolj mimo ritma ploskaš. skratka obup. ne štekam kdo lahko uživa :D res.

(edit: sem se spomnil, da sem bil lani na maneskin na stadionu in predtem še dvakrat na maidnih (kjer je bil slab zvok)).


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absolutno ne maram masovk in stadionov, že kot najstnika me niso vlekla, 
ma že Tivoli in Stožice so zame preveliki... ne vem, če bi bil v igri npr. George Michael (RIP) bi še rekel ajde, drugače pa ne želim gledati npr. Ulcerate ali pa Mglo v neki ogromni hali
so pa ta večja jajca plus, če si mlad in se ga želiš samo nažgat pa da dogaja (kolikor se boš pač potem na koncu sploh spomnil)
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Staremu Metallica še vedno krati spanec Big smile

Al je pa samo malo za reklamo, da povleče malo pozornosti na MD.

Drugače je ta komad od Excel prav kul komad 🙂


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Nekam ful veliko se jim to dogaja zadnje čase, čeprav je Lars v glavnem tisti, ki tolče mimo.


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The Optimistic Cynic: Remaining completely oblivious to the tragedy of existence.
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Pri 60+ in 8 koncertih na mesec se jim odpusti to in še marsikaj. Če pogledam kakšen je marsikateri 60 letnik, ki se je zapustil (ali prepustil) so fantje res fenomenalni.

Dave kot "najstarejši" pa seveda trži poleg svojega benda tudi svojo zgodovino. 

Jaz sem prav zadovoljen da so ga vn fuknili. Tako kot z Barnesom... Dobili smo še en (ali dva) odlična benda Clap
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Ne vem če se Maidni kaj dosti motijo... Ipd. Pa Nicko je videl da ne gre več in častno odšel.
Vježbat pizda vam materna. Posebej Lars.

Kar se Mustaina tiče pa sva istih misli. Tip je težak ampak nastal je vsaj 1 kvaliteten band. Megadeth.
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...pa sem si po dooolgem času naložil diskografijo Metallice v avto. Sem mislil, da sem se po 30 ih letih prenajedel ta starih albumov in da mi bo šlo vse skupaj malo na jetra... pa ni bilo tako! po sicer dolgem premoru, ko sem poslušal bolj ali manj zadnje 4 albume, sem v prvih štirih spet neizmerno užival. AJFA je bil že tako na glas, da se je ob udarcih kase tresel retrovizor ;) ;) :)

Sledil je black album, ki pa žal ni več zbudil tiste evforije v meni. Še vedno odličen, ampak mu od vedno manjka tista surovost in zaplet, ki jih imajo stari komadi.
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