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    Posted: 08.Jan.2009 at 19:05
Zanima me, zakaj se Nightwish (in podobni) definira kot METAL?
Sej nimam prav nič proti njim. Sm celo preposlušal njihov album Ocean born (ja vem, po enem albumu ne moreš sodit benda, sam več ni šlo) .

Če smo že tu,se meni osebno zdijo bolj metal AC/DC al Airbourne...


Edited by Mitja M.J. - 08.Jan.2009 at 19:47
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Nightwish so (še posebej na platah Oceanborn in Wishmaster) prav tolk metal kot recimo Stratovarius, Rhapsody al pa Sonata Arctica. Muzika na teh platah je tipični simfonični power metal, sam da je tu namesto falsetto brezjajčnikov tipa Kiske in Kotipelto operetna Tarja.
Torej, če se sprašuješ, zakaj se Nightwish štejejo pod metal, se isto sprašuješ vsaj še za celotno finsko, nemško in italijansko power-simfonično-melodično metal sceno. Tukej se zdej lahko razvije že prežvečena debata, kaj je za koga metal in kaj je tr00 in kaj ni. Po moje se je treba mal sprostit, pa vse skupaj definirt pod "trša kitarska muska" Wink, kar pa spet ne gre, ker tut v ta pravmu metalu lahko prevladujejo klaviature.
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glasba je glasba, pa lahk zaključmo debatao na en konstruktiven način. predalčkanje je brezveze, razen če veluik poslušate klone(men so bon jovi in europe čist dost, ne rabim nobenga glem benda, ki zveni isto, poslušat)
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Sej nism mislu zdej neke vojne ustvarjat med takim in onakim vrstam metala.
Samo pazi eno stvar: poslušam X heavy, al Y death metal band pa ni nobenga niti blizu sobe. Dam gor Nightwish pa se kar oppa! pojavi mama: kaj poslušaš? in me gleda kot bi bilo kaj narobe z mano...
Hočem povedat, da je mama nemetalka opazla da to pa ni to... oče rocker definiral to kot pop...
Pa ne more zdej vsak bend ki ima el.kitaro, bas in bobne rečt. ja, mi pa smo zdaj metalci Evil%20Smile 
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Originally posted by Schoobitz Schoobitz wrote:

glasba je glasba, pa lahk zaključmo debatao na en konstruktiven način. predalčkanje je brezveze, razen če veluik poslušate klone(men so bon jovi in europe čist dost, ne rabim nobenga glem benda, ki zveni isto, poslušat)


Se popolnoma strinjam s tabo, samo ni vsaka glasba metal glasba.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Real Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08.Jan.2009 at 20:36
Originally posted by Mitja M.J. Mitja M.J. wrote:

Zanima me, zakaj se Nightwish (in podobni) definira kot METAL?
Sej nimam prav nič proti njim. Sm celo preposlušal njihov album Ocean born (ja vem, po enem albumu ne moreš sodit benda, sam več ni šlo) .

Če smo že tu,se meni osebno zdijo bolj metal AC/DC al Airbourne...


Oceanborn je njihov najbolši album! Nightwish so bli tam do Once(2004) pol pa adijo. Danes pa so v težkem kurcu, isto Tarja solo...


Edited by Real - 08.Jan.2009 at 20:36
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Nism reku da je slab album :)

Edited by Mitja M.J. - 08.Jan.2009 at 20:43
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Js vsekakor se isto sprašujem za celotno finsko, nemško in italjansko porazno sceno.

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Takole bom rekel. Sam nisem ravno pristaš predalčkanja metala na podkategorije. Sam glasbo ločim na dobro in slabo. Dejstvo je, da se nikoli ne bomo vsi strinjali kaj je metal in kaj ne. So AC/DC metal ali ne? So Nightwish metal ali ne? So Slipknot metal ali ne? Eni bodo odgovorili pritrdilno, drugi negativno. Tako bo vedno. Wink

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Če se vrnem k skupini Nightwish. Jih ne poslušam (morda parkrat letno) in sam jih nebi označil za metal band. Mi je pa vseeno, če jih nekdo označi za metalce.

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dobr si tole povedu :)
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Originally posted by Mitja M.J. Mitja M.J. wrote:

Originally posted by Schoobitz Schoobitz wrote:

glasba je glasba, pa lahk zaključmo debatao na en konstruktiven način. predalčkanje je brezveze, razen če veluik poslušate klone(men so bon jovi in europe čist dost, ne rabim nobenga glem benda, ki zveni isto, poslušat)


Se popolnoma strinjam s tabo, samo ni vsaka glasba metal glasba.


Se tut strinjam, pa še enkrat povem, da se za Nightwish(niti za kterkol drug bend) sploh ne obremenjujem, kaj so. Če smo pa čist natančni, pa jih komot zvrstimo v simfonični rock oz. mal trši simfonični rock. Ampak s tem že skor sebe zabijam... :D
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Meni so še kar všeč in tudi ne vidim razloga, zakaj se jih ne bi uvrščalo pod metal. Se popolnoma strinjam z Madafaka. 
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ja to je moj naj band...dokler je bla še tarja...zdej so pa ratali res en pop...pa na metalcampu so bli porazni Confused
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Ko je bla Tarja ja-čeprav je že zadni album z Tarjo bil polomija! Smile Men je najbolši Oceanborn! 

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10 let stara debata hahaha. Nikoli jih nisem poslušal, slišal sm jih tm nekje okoli leta 2000 al ko so pač prodrli vn in že takoj so mi bli bedni, Tarjin operni pussy vokal čez in čez, komadi brez rifov ki bazirajo na klaviaturah blablabla tralala hopsasa, sploh jih nism spremljal nič. Pred kratkim sm na YT naletel na nek njihov live video s to zadnjo pevko, Floor - sam fak, ta pa zna pet ej in tudi ful bolj raznolik vokal ima, res top. O tem govorim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYjIlHWBAVo

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Jaz jih tudi nikoli nisem poslušal, ima pa tipo okus. Namreč, globoko ceni The 3rd And The Mortal, najboljši norveški band. Tu mu pa pol odpustim. :)

Za Tarjo ne vem, če jih je kdaj poslušala, a njen vokal ni čisto po mojem okusu. Trojka jih pelje scat z obema pevkama, pa tut Anneke iz The Gathering. Ampak ok, to je samo moje subjektivno mnenje, ne alfa in omega. :D

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Floor je meni tudi top. Tarje nikoli nisem preveč maral. Edino komad She is my sin se me je res prijel. Ni ravno moje sorte muzika ampak odkar je Floor z njimi bi jih pa rad enkrat videl. 
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Originally posted by Gašper Fatur Gašper Fatur wrote:

10 let stara debata hahaha. Nikoli jih nisem poslušal, slišal sm jih tm nekje okoli leta 2000 al ko so pač prodrli vn in že takoj so mi bli bedni, Tarjin operni pussy vokal čez in čez, komadi brez rifov ki bazirajo na klaviaturah blablabla tralala hopsasa, sploh jih nism spremljal nič. Pred kratkim sm na YT naletel na nek njihov live video s to zadnjo pevko, Floor - sam fak, ta pa zna pet ej in tudi ful bolj raznolik vokal ima, res top. O tem govorim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYjIlHWBAVo



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Originally posted by Pero Pero wrote:

Originally posted by Gašper Fatur Gašper Fatur wrote:

10 let stara debata hahaha. Nikoli jih nisem poslušal, slišal sm jih tm nekje okoli leta 2000 al ko so pač prodrli vn in že takoj so mi bli bedni, Tarjin operni pussy vokal čez in čez, komadi brez rifov ki bazirajo na klaviaturah blablabla tralala hopsasa, sploh jih nism spremljal nič. Pred kratkim sm na YT naletel na nek njihov live video s to zadnjo pevko, Floor - sam fak, ta pa zna pet ej in tudi ful bolj raznolik vokal ima, res top. O tem govorim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYjIlHWBAVo



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Originally posted by Pero Pero wrote:

Originally posted by Gašper Fatur Gašper Fatur wrote:

10 let stara debata hahaha. Nikoli jih nisem poslušal, slišal sm jih tm nekje okoli leta 2000 al ko so pač prodrli vn in že takoj so mi bli bedni, Tarjin operni pussy vokal čez in čez, komadi brez rifov ki bazirajo na klaviaturah blablabla tralala hopsasa, sploh jih nism spremljal nič. Pred kratkim sm na YT naletel na nek njihov live video s to zadnjo pevko, Floor - sam fak, ta pa zna pet ej in tudi ful bolj raznolik vokal ima, res top. O tem govorim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYjIlHWBAVo





Sej sm samo pohvalu raznolike vokalne sposobnosti, nism napisal da so Nightwish dobri. LOL

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Haha taledva se prašata isto kot Mitja na začetku. Pobova reakcija po koncu pesmi pa je neprecenljiva. Pa hiphoper je Confused

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