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Gašper Fatur
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da ne vem kaj naj bi bil ta "Commercial Metal" (mogoče misli v smislu
da so to bendi ki imajo album ki preseže neko določeno visoko št.
prodanih izvodov?), je kar dobro opisan (kdo je spisal to?) ta self
titled album, ki je totalno kraljeval prvo polovico 90ih. Grunge je
Grunge, Glam je Glam, black album je pa vsekakor (še vedno) Metal album.
Seveda se strinjam da je slabši od 80s albumov, je pa najpomembnejši
kar se tiče preboja v mainstream in v milijone ušes ki so prvič slišala
metalsko muziko ravno preko tega albuma. Si mislim da če bi bil že v
80ih fan Metallice, da bi bil razočaran ob izidu, ker sm pa lih dobrih
30 let nazaj začel posliušat Metal, imam krasne spomine na to. Spomenm
se da je v 90ih ful folka v OŠ poslušalo to kaseto - ne samo tistih ki
so sicer poslušali Metal, spomnem se sošolca ki je kupu ta CD v lokalni
blagovnici, spomnem se kako sm js še prej kupu (presneto) kaseto od
nekoga itd. Dobro zveni (produkcija) + to kar je napisal Preško + ?,
skratka: album ki je na široko odprl vrata v Metal, če potem zabredeš v
globine al samo pokukaš noter je pa odvisno od posameznika.
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Odgovor je lahko tudi precej preprost (brez poglobljenih debat)... v pravem času so izdali pravi album
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Ta debata menda nikoli ne bo povsem izginila - Metallica in njihov "Black" album: Why Is Metallica's "Black Album" The Best Selling Metal Album Of All Time?
Is It Because It's Simply One Of The Greatest Commercial Metal Albums Of All Time? People often answer the question of why this album is so successful with - "oh, it's because they sold out!". Sure - the album is "Commercial Metal" - and yeah - you could argue that they "sold out". But are they the ONLY band who has ever played commercial sounding Metal? People talk like it's EASY to make an album this successful. Literally THOUSANDS of bands tried to do this. If it were that easy - why didn't other bands do it? Remember the fact that "Commercial Metal" was EXTREMELY common in the late 80s and early 90s. Glam Metal was riding high and the more "commercial" sides of Metal were pretty mainstream. Still - absolutely nothing - NOTHING - could compete with the sheer level of sales of this album. A couple things to ask - If this album were the band's debut - would it be as hated by Metal fans? If this album was by an already "Commercial" Metal band - would it be viewed differently? I mean think about it - compare it to "Commercial Metal" of the time, it's actually strikingly HEAVY. If you come at this album from the Glam angle and ponder a Glam Metal band making this album - you begin to realize the secret of this album's success. The problem with Glam is that by 1991 - it was already becoming a bit uncool. There is something about the style of the Black Album that aged well during the Grunge era. Remember that the bulk of this albums sales and momentum occurred during 1992-1994. This was when the Grunge movement was dominating - and Glam Metal was sinking fast. Metallica brought a flavour of commercial Metal that - to the masses - seemed to have real attitude, a hint of darkness - that wasn't connected to the perceived "cheese" and excess glamour of the Glam scene of the day. Grunge made it cool to be a little darker and more sullen - and the Black Album kind of fits in with that. I mean despite those songs being SUPER CATCHY - they're not exactly jolly and upbeat are they? They capture a flavour of the darkness and heaviness that Metal fans love - albeit in a form that very casual Rock listeners could also find palatable too. It found an audience with people who didn't typically like Metal! And there's nothing that Metal fans hate more than that! Despite saying all that - If I were to rank Metallica's albums - I easily rank the Black Album below the first four, but in a way - I almost see it as a different band. I got into Metallica with this album and therefore didn't have any of the inbuilt resentment toward them for it, my first taste of this album wasn't tinged with the "betrayal" that I hear a lot of Metalheads talk about. I fell in love with it - and that first impression never faded despite falling in even stronger love with the 80s records. I don't typically enjoy "Commercial Metal" as much as the type of Metal in Metallica's 80s records - the 80s records feel a bit richer, more complex, and have more dynamics and replayability to me. But when I want that instant HIT of Commercial Metal - I don't think ANY album in the history of Metal scratches that itch better than this album. In a way - this album seems like a victim of 2 things - 1 - Being overplayed 2 - Being compared to the prior albums, It suffers a lot of mockery and flack from Metal fans - and I think it's unjustified. My favourite album by Metallica is "Justice" so of course I wonder and wish they followed it up with another album along those lines, but other bands fulfil that wish - when I want some technical and progressive Thrash - I just go else where. Instead of looking at the glass half empty, I see it half full - and judge the Black Album on it's own terms. In my opinion - the Black Album is the best selling Metal album of all time because it's the greatest "Commercial Metal" album of all time! In the realm of Thrash - sure, it sinks. But in the realm of Commercial Metal? Wow - this album reigns supreme! What are your thoughts? |
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Heh, narobe si zastopil. Ti, ki jih ti omenjaš, so se lajnali po radijih, ja, ampak takrat (90-91 in dalje, ko je vladala dekada yellowcab-a), sem ta medij ignoriral, kolikor se je le dalo. Zato sem pa omenil samo tiste, ki so meni bili blizu (iz 80-ih mi je itak ogromno muzike ostalo v ušesih do danes).
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Pozabil si na country komade od Čukov, Rednex in Billyja Raya Cyrusa, ki so se v prvi polovici devetdesetih do onemoglosti drajsali po radiu. Ja sj vem, spomin je selektiven... Oftopik. Debata od Metallice naprej... Na obdobje Load mam lepe spomine. Poletje, matura, začetek študija, selitev od doma... Load je mel svoje trenutke, čeprov niti ni imel preveč veze s prejšnjimi platami od Metallice. A kaj mi je blo pri Loadu najbl všeč? Un shuriken logo, ki so ga začel takrat uporabljat: Edited by Kilroy - 16.Oct.2023 at 15:15 |
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pri poslusanju glasbe je vedno tko, da vsak poslusalec s svojim lastnim imprintom dograjuje glasbo in je sestavni del izkusnje in ovrednotenja slisanega.. podobno je pri knjigi, filmu, sliki.. zato je imho tud precejsnja izguba energije se kregat okol tega.. je pa zanimivo izmenjavat mnenja.. vcasih se clo znajdes na istem bregu, kar je lahko prou navdihujoce.. nemalokrat izkusnja drugega obogati tvojo lastno..
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zanimivo. zame je pa ravno ta komad predstavljal alfa in omega celega albuma - vsaj na začetku. kasneje se mi je pa odprl še preostali album, vendar nikoli povsem v celoti. oziroma še danes ne uživam prav v vseh komadih tega albuma, še vedno najdem kakšnega, ki ne ravno navdušuje.
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jsm load kupla na majorci v neki ogromni glasbeni trgovini leta 1996, ker mi je bil vsec kover (pol sm sele ugotovila, da gre za kri in spermo; kjutt ^^).. ker sploh se nisem poslusala metala takrat (prej kake kyuss, primus, voivod pa kup ene alter rock muske), tud nisem se preposlusala prvih plat, zato se najbrz nism obremenjevala s tem, kako bi morala zvenet.. ker se je 'mama said' vrtel povsod, je bil ta komad v mojem plejerju do nedavnega obsojen na skip.. moj top je pa ze od vsega zacetka tazadn stiklc, 'the outlaw torn'.. <3
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Ko je pršu Load sm bil v 7. razredu OŠ in se spomnem da sm bil razočaran ko sm ga slišal, komadi so zveneli čisto drugače kot kar so Metallica delali pred tem. Ko je pršu še Reload sm najboljše komad z obeh plat posnel na CD in mu dal ime Shitload. Dandaes mi paše slišat kak komad s tistega obdobja (recimo Mama Said, Hero Of The Day itd.), je pa to čisto druga muzika kot recimo Justice 2 albuma prej. Fak kjra 90s debata, predebatirano miljonkrat, ma zakon.
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meni je load dobra plata. se pa tudi jaz spomnim kako je bil hipe okoli te izdaje.
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No, jaz moram tudi nekaj povedati... Nisem neki die-hard fan country muzike, čeravno sem kot mali mulo dostikrat po radiu slišal ex-yu bando "Plava trava zaborava" (mislm, da je mel celo moj stari kaseto). Pa bila je še neka otroška nadaljevanka Zlata ribica, kjer je bila istoimenska uvodna špica od Pohorja Express, to je pa tudi vse od kantrija... Do Load-a. V tistem času je najprej vladalo razočaranje (razen singlce Until it sleeps, ki sem jo v playerju zdrajsal do onemoglosti), ker je bil sprožen velik hype o novi plati po l.91, potem pa... Ja, Load v 1. letniku SŠ ni bil med "priljubljenejšimi" platami. Sčasoma sem razvil tudi mlačen odziv na napovednike o kasnejših izdajah... Ampak, ker se rad vračam v zgodovino, sem si večkrat zasukal tudi Load in jebemu mast, da je Mama said en najboljših "country-like" komadov. Pika.
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najbrz sm redka, ampak jz pa obozujem load plato.. se morm spravt en dan poslusat to novo rec..
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Hm, na prvo žogo se mi zdi, da JH boljš izpade na Megadeth stranskem projektu kot pa Mustaine v Metalikinem cover bandu Je pa Hetfield na plati od Megadeth pel z barvo glasu iz obdobja po 1988 (Justice), tko da primerjava itak ne velja Šalo na stran: Muštacni paše v Megadeth k vtikač v šuko vtičnico, tle ni debate. "Kaj bi bilo, če bi bilo", je pa za širšo debato ob piru za okroglo mizo z Lemmyjem, Diotom, Burtonom, Schuldinerjem itd... (heh, dans me je serviser peči po dolgem čakanju naposled obiskal in izjavil "Na konc vsi pridete na vrsto!")
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AI Hetfield singing Megadeth in obratno |
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Če daš albumu slabo oceno še pred prvim poslušanjem ti pač ne bo všeč.
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MacGyver je zakon!
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Mnja, sej se do določene mere prepoznam v tem memu sploh ker včasih ne morem držat gobca, pa pustit folk nemoteno uživat.
Ampak mene so dokončno izgubili po koncertu na Bežigradu, po S&M pa sem vedel, da ne bodo mogli narediti nič več, kar bi me prepričalo. Tudi stare plate so se mi čisto zagabile. Osebni okus je jeba, tudi če gre za band, ki te je ufural v ljubezen do plemenitega hrupa. Tudi tisto srečanje z novim komadom je bilo čisto naključje in 'file under forget' moment.
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res hecno, nekateri so nezadovoljni z vsem kar Metallica naredi. Plata je odlična.
Modeli so stari 60 let, naredijo bombastično plato in nekateri še vedno ne morejo preboleti benda izpred 30 let.
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Dans sem slišal nekaj na valu. K sreči mi je uspelo šoferja prepričat da je dal gor southern country po pol komada. Kakor en happy clone Loada če je cela plata taka .
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NO love from 'real' metalheads for new Metallica....that's why the rest of us like new album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7TYA7UcQlE
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Hehe, kak odziv. Mislim da sm točno 1x poslušal komad...
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Ravno nabavil karte za Minken 2024. Dva koncerta, dve povsem različni set listi. Dobr bo, majke mi!
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Fajn mi je da niso nč prej povedali kdaj bo album pa nobenih trailerjev in teaserjev za komad/video itd. In, če ne zaradi nč druzga, je od Jaymza glas lepo slišat zaradi nostalgije. Komad me je pa takoj ful spomnu na Diamond Head ki sm jih gledal prejšnji mesec, pol pa zapoje še "lightning the nation" hehehe. Na začetku kariere ko so jih kopirali so bli bolj različni komadi kot ta zdej - ta je totalen tribute to DH, drugače pa nč posebnega. Produkcija zveni boljše kot zadnja plata, ne pričakujem pa od njih nč več pametnega, že 20 let ne. Ampaj Metallica je pa le Metallica - moj dobar drugar forever!
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če bi se slišalo bas na posnetku pa bi pel Lemmy bi to bil komot en komad na zadnjih albumih Motoheadov (2008-2015). ma prav čist motorhead komad
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bomba! euro metal/diamond head stajl
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to mi delaj! |
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Skrij se van kanta, ker to je TO!!!
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Par let nazaj sm bil službeno v Krškem, šou sredi dneva na malco v neko X gostilno, oblečen sm bil obično (nemetalska majca), čupa v čopu. Parkiral mal stran od gostilne in šou peš pod enim podhodom, spodaj je bil en pijanček, nikoli prej ga nism vidu. In ko sm šou mimo me tip poglede in reče sam "Metallica". Ne vem kako - ampak he made my day!
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Ni za kej, video je res vreden ogleda za Metallica fane. Megadeth so mi pa tudi zakon, mal manj kot Metallica ampak še vedno en top bendov.
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Fatur - za tale Icons od Gibson kitar dokumentarc, k se osredotoča na Kirk Hammetta, sm pa sam čaku, da se končno cew prkaže na youtubu Kšn teden al dva nazaj sm na youtubu vidu en promo za tale filmček in sm sam upu, da ne bom zgrešu tega ... tko, da hvala za objavo tega linka
Men je bla to najbol poteza ta stare Metallice, da so vn fuknl Dave Mustaina in not vzel Kirk Hammetta Men so Hammettove solaže ful bl legendarne in s filingom zaigrane kokr pa od Mustaina Sj Mustaine/Megadeth so mel kšne dobre momente v 80ih, ampak prot Metallici se pa men čist skrijejo ... in če bi Mustaine ostal pr Metallici to neb blo čist nč dobrga Men je Mustaine po filingu ful preveč hard rockovski/glemerski, da bi bi biw sposobn tok epskega thrasha kokr so ga obvladal Metallica ... Megadeth iz 80ih in začetka 90ih so men tehničen glam/hard rock/punk rock z metalskim zvokom in občasnim thrash/speed metal rifom ... v glavnem Kirk Hammett je en izmed daleč najbl pomembnih in vplivnih solo kitaristov v metalu ... ne glede na to kok se ful zadnh 20 let rad norčuje iz njegovga wah pedala in ''preprostih'' solaž ... njegove solaže PRIPOMOREJO k odličnosti teh legendarnih komadov od stare Metallice in ti za zmer ostanejo v glavi, to pa daleč prevlada miljone uber-tehničnih solo kitaristov, od kerih si ne zapomnš nobene solaže in še slabš, njihove solaže ne dvignejo komadov na še višjo raven
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Tako pa zvenijo Metallica v akustični podobi: Edited by Dejan - 22.Nov.2020 at 08:21 |
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Je mogoče slučajno kdo nabavu Justice box set, izdan ob 30-letnici, in bi posodil knjigo za prebrat? Dam za 6-pack. Tole zadevo: Al pa če kdo ve kje bi se dobilo zadevo v PDF formatu? Ker 150€+ pa ne bom dal Metallici, imajo dovolj in tudi dovolj sm že plačal zanje. |
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Ta koncert mi je zameril Metallico do konca in pripomogel k temu, da sem jih nehal poslušati, sčistil diskografijo z doma in jo za male pare prodal kolegu (Jamezzz je že zdavnaj skuril vokal, bili so v Alcoholica obdobju, sicer sem bil še kaka dva meseca čisto blesav ker sem jih videl, potem pa sem začel razmišljati in ugotovil kako zanič so dejansko ratali, tudi če danes naredijo metalsko plato stoletja jih ne jebem). Fuck koliko jih danes ne maram in ne morem, mvrrrr. 20 let praviš, shit, star sem.
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Sem si želel it na ta koncert pa sem bil še preveč smrkav.
Ampak zdej k gledam za nazaj, bi me še veliko bolj kot Metalike zanimali Mercyful Fate. Hopefully this year ...
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A blig black blug blit the blig black blear and made the blig black blear bleed blood!
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Letos je že 20 let odkar smo jih gledali v LJ... Tule pa en posnetek izpred 30 let: |
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Sem bil maja v Milanu :)
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je še bil kdo včeraj na koncertu in mu je dogajalo kot meni?
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Ampak važno, da si pa najboljši komad slišal najprej. Edited by Lunik - 15.Aug.2018 at 06:08 |
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Spomnu sm se na en dogodek iz 90s... To je moralo bit v OŠ, pred '95,
ker nism še imel Justice kasete. Poslušal sm radio (verjetno Val 202,
drugega skoraj ni lovilo), ne uno metalsko oddajo ampak kar nek program -
glasbene želje. In pokliče nek tip (verjetno bl nek mulc takrat) v
oddajo in pravi da hoče To Live Is To Die od Metallice. Takrat sm takoj
vstavu kaseto in začel snemat (tako sm dobil ta komad na kaseto in ga
potem poslušal 10x na dan na walkmanu). Anywayz, voditelj se je ful
probal z njim pogovarjat, ga spraševal kaj kej posluša itd., temu tipu
se pa sploh ni dalo govorit, samo omenu je da drugače posluša Death
Metal ampak da ve da tega nimajo in da hoče Metallico. In potem mu reče
napovedovalec da nej mu bo, da bodo zavrteli To Live Is To Die, čeprav
traja skoraj 10 minut. In so ga, jst pa celega posnel in zraven poslušal
(verjetno odprtih ust). Čez kako leto al 2 sm potem kupu (presneto)
kaseto Justice od znanca ki jo je kupu od nekoga ki je postal
narkič in prodal vse kar je imel, fak je blo takrat težko dobit
muziko... Zato je bla pa tudi extremno cenjena, vsaka nova kaseta je bla
pravi zaklad. Bla je to 90-minutna kaseta in 7. komad je bil odrezan
lih med solažo, na drugi strani se potem ni nadaljeval, je blo pa še par
dodnih komadov, od Testament - Souls Of Black in od Sacred Reich - American Way, mogoče še kakšen, se ne
spomnem... Šele ko sm potem v SŠ končno kupu original Justice CD sm slišal cel
solo + preostanek Frayed Ends komada. ĐĐĐ!
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