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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote frogstomp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14.Apr.2024 at 11:41
A je kdo spretnejši z iskanjem po teh sodnih portalih in najde te javno dostopne informacije, ki jih omenja  tekstu? 
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Črt se je sicer še isti dan na fejsbuku odzval na tisti post od MetalDays, tako da mogoče ne škodi, če se še to nalima v tole temo:
Originally posted by Črt Skunk Črt Skunk wrote:

Hah &amp;#128515; Well since I'm named I will quickly reply here - my private account. It's true, I've been working for Metaldays the whole time while it was in Tolmin. I was doing production also for other festivals for the Artfest company. I must say it was good, as otherwise I wouldn't be doing it. I got paid for my work and indeed I also got one of the recommendations for my cultural status. I must say all in all it was a nice time and everything was as it was agreed.
Now the 'not so true' parts. I've never been against Metalcamp, I am a good friend with Bastian and we have done many events together with Roman. I've never even cared for festivals, as the club shows until now were my main domain. Me and Matej were hired to upgrade the second stage at Metaldays and that's what we did. I think we did a good job there and yes we got paid for it.
Now when Metaldays moved to Velenje, it was clear that there is a spot available so we took it. We got a clear email from Metaldays that our services will no longer be needed in Velenje so it was an easy decision to try to do something smaller again in Tolmin.
Indeed both festivals could thrive together, but this was not the plan of Metaldays. They rather partnered with the Goathell festival in Croatia and made them to have the same dates as we do. When we announced Tolminator it was Metaldays that went to the media and gave them news that we don't have the legal basis to make a new festival, which resulted in a long period where we didn't sell a ticket per day. Really thanks. Just these two things would make anyone quite pissed off.
But there is more ... many payments were not made to the locals of Tolmin. In Short this is resulting now that Tolminator needs to pay many things in advance and that many things are now more expensive than before. I can't really blame the locals of Tolmin, as I would do the same in their shoes.
The other thing is that many of my agent friends didn't get paid. This is a black mark on the whole metal scene here.
So... this is why.
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Po prebranem se mi zdi, da je več resnice v Črtovem zapisu. Vsaj tak občutek sem dobil. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote frogstomp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16.Apr.2024 at 14:16
Če čitamo vzporedno še nedavno priloženo izjavo Overjam festivala bi jst že samo tele dajatve občini in splošnega trenda okoriščevanja vseh, ki so se lahko s tem in  z drugimi festivali... vzel pod vprašaj. Ne govorim o ljudjeh, ki so izkoristili poslovno priložnost in za to nekaj ponudili (naprimer stanodajalci in tisti, ki so svoje vrtove preuredili v barčke).

Občina govori o dolgovih do nje. Spomnimo, tule je članek iz 2019

Organizator je že tedaj govoril isto kot sedaj: da za to ni bilo pravne osnove ker.. in našteva pogoje. In kot razumem, je bila zadeva na sodišču... in ker ni šlo s  turistično takso.. si je občina izmislila festivalskega.. 

Dalje... a ste opazili, kako so se v zadnjih letih sporadično začele pojavljat sredi taborišča zaplate zemlje, kjer se ni smelo kampirat, manjko teh prostorov pa so potem našli na drugi strani ceste? Ne morm poznat konkretnega ozadja, ampak sumim, da gre tu za izsiljevanje posameznikov, ki probajo potem za nič dela iztisnit od organizatorjev čimveč, ker je v interesu festivala da obstane, in da ima eno ozemeljsko kontinuiteto.. 

Skočimo na drug konc slovenije in preberimo o koncu Rock Otočca:

Quote Tradicija se po besedah Keka žal končuje, saj so lastniki parcele, terme Krka, kjer se je tradicionalno odvijal festival, lani organizatorjem postavili finančno tako težke pogoje, da jih preprosto niso mogli izpolniti. Letos jim parcele ne želijo oddati pod nobenimi pogoji.


Zdej se je torej oblikoval en tak angry mob momentum, ki delno upravičeno, delno pa tudi ne.. na kandelabr montira enega človeka, ki je fural to zadevo, največji slovenski festival.. 2 dekadi... in ga pripeljal do njegovega konca.. Ampak ta konec kot jst vidim.. je bil predvsem kolektivni napor širše družbe.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Šujo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17.Apr.2024 at 12:14
A smo ze dobil prve Boboljubce vidi...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote frogstomp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17.Apr.2024 at 13:28
Bedast komentar. Povej več... jst tega namreč nism pisal. Nisem pa fen tega množičnega brcanja človeka, ko leži na tleh. 
Boban je prov lepo fural festival mnogo let, morda predolgo, in se v zadnjih letih zaplezal. 

Do 2018 je celo komentiral na forumu zadeve in ta pristop je bil men precej kul. In pol smo žal spremljali razvoj karakterja v zdajšno podobo. 
Ali pač velja, da če je človk zagrešič abc... mu kar avtomatsko pripišemo še xyz, in si nobena reč več ne zasluži individualne presoje? 

Recimo.. omenja situacijo s skreti. Za moje pojme bi tolmin v vseh teh letih glede na to da imajo 2 mesca sotočje polno.. uredil tam vsaj normalen priklop na kanalizacijo na tistih 5 lokacijah, kjer so skreti. In s tem eliminiral to kar pravi tudi Overjam report. Infrastrukturno so spedenal v 20+ letih eno stvar, jebeno stopnišče gor do šole, in to je to. Lahko pa bi vsaj do četrtine tega prišli, kar je Velenje ponudilo letos. 

Edited by frogstomp - 17.Apr.2024 at 13:31
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Originally posted by frogstomp frogstomp wrote:

Nisem pa fen tega množičnega brcanja človeka, ko leži na tleh. 

dej se malo zberi.
človek je se je okoristil z goljufijo. dobesedno je ukradel denar ljudem. kdo ga brca? če bi ga brcali bi verjetno tudi kdo že kak euro dobil nazaj. umiri se, zadihaj.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Šujo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18.Apr.2024 at 05:53
Originally posted by vulgaris vulgaris wrote:

Originally posted by frogstomp frogstomp wrote:

Nisem pa fen tega množičnega brcanja človeka, ko leži na tleh. 

dej se malo zberi.
človek je se je okoristil z goljufijo. dobesedno je ukradel denar ljudem. kdo ga brca? če bi ga brcali bi verjetno tudi kdo že kak euro dobil nazaj. umiri se, zadihaj.

A to da že orhanizira nov festival, kaže na to da je na tleh? Ne,  i. Tja ga je treba še zbrcat.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote frogstomp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18.Apr.2024 at 15:57
Mnja.. organizira.. pri tej izgubi zaupanja je fertik. Glede goljufije smo sklepčni. 

Mal me na tole spomne razvoj karakterja :)
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A? kaj organizira?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Šujo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19.Apr.2024 at 06:13
Ironhead, zaton, Zadar. 

Ne, frogi, ni. Lopov hod po marmeladi dokler mu ne odbiješ prstov.
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